11 Reasons Linux Sucks

A few days ago I talked about why you should try Linux.  Today, to the chagrin of Linux fanboys everywhere, I will explore the other side of the issue with 11 reasons the average desktop user would want to avoid Linux.

So here we go!  In no particular order, here are 11 reasons Linux sucks.


Reason #1: It’s Complicated

Linux is more complex than Windows or OS X.  Sure, once you are familiar with Linux and its idiosyncrasies, it’s not hard to use.  But the initial learning curve is steep.

As with several of the upcoming entries, this problem isn’t as severe as it was a few years ago.  There are now a handful of distributions that work straight out of the box for most people, and setting them up is only slightly more difficult than a recent copy of Windows.

But even with those improvements, new users must, at least, sift through all the available distributions to find the easy ones, learn how to download the right install image, learn to burn the image to a disc or create a bootable USB thumb drive, get to the install portion, and decipher what each prompt is asking.

This is not an insignificant hurdle for many people.  Good Linux users are good because they experiment and seek more information.  If you are unable, or unwilling, to learn and work through Linux’s complexities, you may want to avoid Linux.


Reason #2: You’re Alone… Almost

How many Linux users are there?  It’s difficult to pinpoint this exactly, but relatively speaking, it is safe to say not many.

Problems you encounter are your responsibility to fix.  You can’t pop into any computer repair shop with your Debian rig and get help.  The only help you’re going to get is through Linux forums, IRC channels, mailing lists, and occasionally fantastic Linux blogs such as Down To Earth Linux.  😉

Not everyone has a problem with this.  I fix my own computers, and vastly prefer talking via typed messages over the Internet, than in person or over the telephone.  It’s my mindset.  But for many, this is horrible and a valid reason to avoid Linux.


Reason #3: It Changes Constantly

At it’s popularity peak, the Ubuntu distribution looked something like this:

Ubuntu 10.10, Maverick Meerkat, Released April 2, 2010

It was sleek, lightweight, polished, and easy to use.  Since the first versions of Ubuntu, the layout and workflow hadn’t changed much.  Each update included small tweaks and improvements, there were a few color scheme changes, but everything was largely consistent and familiar.

Less than one year later, Ubuntu releases looked like this:

Ubuntu 11.04, Natty Narwhal, Released March 7, 2011 (lots of people decided to avoid Linux that day)

Ubuntu opted for a radically different user interface, called Unity, that was buggy as hell (it’s much more stable now).

This isn’t a purely Ubuntu problem, and it isn’t restricted to user interfaces.  Linux distributions often make radical changes that break or change things you used to do with your computer.  Again, this is not as bad as it was a few years ago, but it is still a problem.


Reason #4: Pointless Competition

Wayland or Mir?  Gnome Shell, KDE, Cinnamon, Unity, XFCE, MATE, or LXDE?  OpenOffice or LibreOffice?  Banshee, Amarok, or Rythmbox?

This is one of the few entries in the list that is getting worse, not better.  A short while ago, there were two major desktop environments, Gnome and KDE.  Each had its own strengths and weaknesses, and were distinct from the other.  Now, Gnome Shell, KDE, Cinnamon, Unity, XFCE, MATE, and LXDE are all major desktop environments… and most do damn near the same thing.

Why start Cinnamon from the ground up when some configuration tweaks to Gnome Shell could have accomplished the same thing?  Why did they reinvent the wheel?


How about the much-lauded Wayland and Mir display server?  What major feature does Mir have that Wayland does not?  They do the same thing!  Why are we making two products?

Don’t get me wrong, I believe competition is great.  But only when a competitor improves upon the other’s limitations.  Gnome was fast and simple, but it was plain and offered limited customization.  KDE offered all the shiny widgets and customization that Gnome lacked, but it was more complex and resource intensive because of it.  Each served a distinct purpose and catered to a specific audience.

What purpose and audience does Cinnamon have that Gnome Shell can’t fulfill?  All these pointless competing products make it difficult for Linux promoters to make clear recommendations, and make it difficult for newcomers to figure out what the hell is going on.


Reason #5: Mediocre Hardware & Peripheral Support

While you can run Linux on a wider variety of exotic systems than its competitors, it often chokes on common hardware.  It’s not Linux’s fault.  Many hardware manufacturers don’t provide support for Linux, so developers are left to reverse engineer support.

But, that doesn’t mitigate the annoyance.  You can’t simply purchase any video card that plugs into your computer.  That wireless card in your laptop?  There’s a good chance that will give you some trouble.  Oh, you bought a digital camera?  I hope it doesn’t require any special drivers or software to get the pictures off.


Reason #6: It’s Slow

Okay, it’s not slow.  It’s just not fast anymore.  The current version of Ubuntu runs slower on my powerful gaming desktop than 8.04 (Hardy Heron) did on my then old Pentium 4 laptop.  It’s kind of sad that I no longer notice any performance difference between the most recent version of Fedora and Windows.

In order to get that lightweight, snappy feeling back in my computer, I need to use a distro built on simplicity and speed, such as CrunchBang, or use a barebones distro such as Arch and add in everything myself.


Again, it’s not exactly slow.  But it’s no longer a given that it will rocket past Windows and OS X like it used to.  This was a huge selling point to Linux!

“Tired of the bloated feeling of Windows Vista? Throw on the easy to use Ubuntu and your computer will kick ass again!”

Now that’s gone.

“Well, it’s still kind of fast, but on a computer that old, it will struggle. If you really want speed, you can try a different distro that’s not as resource intensive, or upgrade your computer.”

FFS!  I feel like an iPhone salesman apologizing for an iOS update that crippled everyone’s old iPhone.


Reason #7: Programs Suck

Okay, they don’t exactly suck, particularly since most of them are free.  But in many areas the competition is so much better.

Let me give you an example.  I am an engineering student, and I absolutely need Windows.  Linux programs for computer aided engineering are garbage compared to the competition like AutoCAD, SolidWorks, and Catia.  And there is no sign this will change any time soon.

And it’s not just engineering.  How about video editing?  You can not do serious, professional video editing on a Linux rig.  You need Windows or OS X.

Office work?  Everyone keeps saying how great LibreOffice is, but for many tasks, Microsoft Office is the only way to go.  Complex Excel operations do not transfer over to Calc.  Heavily formatted Word documents break completely.  And outside LibreOffice, Evolution and Zimbra are not suitable replacements for Microsoft Outlook in even the smallest enterprise setting.


Linux can not replace Windows or OS X for many people because the software is so lacking.  Once you start getting out of servers, supercomputers, or strictly generic web surfing desktops, the software choices are poor at best.


Reason #8: Gaming

A couple of years ago, gaming on Linux was a joke.  There were a few open source games that, while fun, were nothing compared to the Call of Dutys, Battlefields, Skyrims, and Grand Theft Autos of the day.  Yes, there were a handful of people that they got their game working on Wine by spending 3 days configuring it and accepting defeat on certain features.  But serious gamers never bothered to go through all that work.

Today, things are definitely better.  Ubuntu, Steam, and others are working hard on making gaming not only possible, but decent on Linux.  Unfortunately though, it still has a long way to go before contending with Windows.  A serious gamer could not live on Linux.


Reason #9: It’s Free

This is one of Linux’s greatest strengths… and greatest weaknesses.  Let’s put aside the moral, ethical, and philosophical aspect (I’ll get to that in a minute), and deal strictly in reality.

Developers need money to eat, and with a few notable exceptions, Linux and Linux software doesn’t provide it.  With their money and will, Microsoft had about 1000 highly skilled developers working full-time on Windows 7.  These developers worked as a cohesive, managed unit all working towards the same goal, and produced a great product in a short period.


Linux, on the other hand, is a mixture of code, some of it 20+ years old, from millions of developers of varying talent, working on whatever the hell they feel like.  Now don’t get me wrong.  That a powerful and functional operating system is the result of this chaos is fantastic and awe-inspiring.

But, it kind of sucks.  It means Linux is always on shaky ground.  There are never enough talented developers working together on enough of the operating system.  And when something does gain significant progress and momentum, it often fragments into multiple projects all doing exactly the same thing (see reason #4) because there is no unifying vision or management.


Probably the most professional, well-organized, and best part of Linux, it’s kernel, is heavily invested in by companies like Red Hat, Intel, and IBM.  And subsequently, most of the kernel is written by developers paid to do it.


Reason #10: Philosophy Versus Practicality

Now on to the ethical, moral, and philosophical aspects I dismissed in reason #9.  A large portion of the Linux community like Linux for philosophical reasons.  They fundamentally disagree with the principal of closed source and/or for-profit software.

And there is an equally large part of the Linux community that doesn’t care at all.  They like Linux because it works best for what they want to do.  They don’t care if they use proprietary drivers from evil corporations.  They don’t care if the software is closed source.  They will pay for software if it is worth paying for.  Linux just happens to fit their current needs.


Whichever camp you fall into, you find the other side supremely frustrating.  If you’re a practical user like me, it’s annoying that MP3 files don’t play out-of-the-box in some distros because of some philosophical licensing debate.  If you’re a philosophical user, you hate that some distros throw your beliefs under the bus in favor of saving users 2 minutes of time.


This schism in the community only reinforces the other divisions and rivalries discussed above, frustrates newcomers to the operating system, and provides yet another reason to avoid Linux.


Reason #11: The Community

When members of the community aren’t being reasonable, polite, and helpful, they are complete jerks.  Forums are filled with infighting, unhelpful responses, and downright nastiness.  And by filled, I mean you occasionally stumble across these posts.

Okay, enough with the jokes.  Yes, the majority of the Linux community is helpful and civil.  Maybe a bit abrupt, but not mean-spirited.

But it is not uncommon for miniature wars to erupt for dumb reasons.  If you are outspoken about flaws or problems with Linux, or open source in general, you can expect severe verbal attacks, and possibly much worse.  If you begin contributing to open source projects, your contributions will likely be ridiculed at one point or another.  Hell, one of the towering figures in the open source community, the creator of Linux himself, Linus Torvalds, is a well-known asshole who viciously berates people on regular occasions.

Just peruse the comments on this article personally attacking me. Here are a few of my favorite gems:

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This is the End

I can hear the Linux fanboy fingers pounding on the keyboard right now.  They plan on telling me about an obscure software package that I didn’t mention.  They intend on regaling me with all the flaws in Windows or OS X.  Or they will get really defensive… almost as if I mentioned politics or religion.

So let me say this before your fingers fly.  I LOVE LINUX!  I’m not trying to create an impenetrable picket line to stop people from using Linux.  If you want to feel all warm and fuzzy by hearing how great Linux is, read my last post.  Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.

I am aware that many of these “problems” also have positive effects that have helped shape Linux into the awesomeness it is today.  I am also aware that Linux has made phenomenal strides in recent years.  Hardware support, usability, compatibility, and much more are the best they’ve ever been, and are only getting better.

This post’s intention is to, as honestly and unbiased as I am capable, give constructive criticism on Linux’s weaknesses to inform the curious, and, hopefully, inspire more positive changes.


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915 Responses to “11 Reasons Linux Sucks”

  1. Peter Schaffter

    It takes guts to be a Linux advocate and criticize the system at the same time. Sort of like being an American and criticizing your country’s military policies. We all know what sort of reaction that engenders.

    I’m sixty. I’ve never, ever run a Windows or Mac box. In short, I’m a pure Linux user, and have been since I first installed Debian Linux on a 386(!) in the early ’90s. I’m a published author, orchestral composer, graphic artist, and programmer. For over twenty years, I’ve been producing expert work in all four fields using only open source programs running under Linux. Furthermore, I’m an active contributor to the GNU project, the “other half” of Linux, without which there wouldn’t be a Linux, just a clever kernel put together by a Finn with a soft spot for horny, hungry penguins.

    I’m not here to quibble with your criticisms, but rather to congratulate you for voicing them. Linux has weaknesses, as do Windows (fill in your favourite version number) and OSX. Refusing to acknowledge them is willful misrepresentation. Yes, there are errors in some of your facts. Yes, a lot of your criticisms can equally be leveled at Windows and the Windows community. Yes, you could have done a lot more research. But given your target audience (“dumb” computer users), the overall result is a useful assessment of the weaknesses of the OS *from their perspective*. No harm in that. For example, people unwilling to invest in learning need to know that effective Linux usage entails acquiring expertise. While that’s actually an indictment of the legions of militantly ignorant users (in what other field does having to learn to use a tool constitute a weakness?), it is nevertheless true, and useful for them to know. (I just wouldn’t call it a reason Linux sucks.)

  2. Dan

    I agree especially with the program install and operation it is just stupid to so things the way it was done in 1986. A consistent multi platform program setup and install would fix 80% of the user nightmares with Linux. Better programs would be available if any consensus could be achieved on desktop and support. Microsoft is by far the worst customer service organization in history so a lot of room for something better.

  3. bennko

    Linux is ok for general use but if your doing anything serious use windows.
    Some people seem to think the reason people don’t like linux is because they find it hard to use because they lack computing knowledge.
    That’s a load of rubbish because the tasks that are most complex are only available for windows not linux.
    For example for linux video editing the best there is is Kden, compare that to after effects or sony vegas,
    it’s night and day. So the truth is the vast amount of people with the most computing knowledge will choose windows over linux every time.

  4. gon ads

    i think your last point, “the community” is absolutely true: forums do have sarcastic rude piece of shit arseholes – in the minority for sure, but enough to being down the whole experience. Other posters say nothing, presumably because they either agree with the dick poster, or don’t want to make waves. It must be frustrating for them because they probably see the same exact posts every day, without fail, from us noobsters, and once in a while they get angry.

  5. officialmanojsh

    Seriously? Man, you haven’t used Linux. You said wrong thing that people hardly use Linux. But dude, please! I get instant replies if I had any problems while using Linux. Don’t talk about things you don’t know. 😂

  6. Rick

    You “love” Linux yet you seem to fall into the very category you put down in your first paragraph. A new User. You are an ignorant person who hasn’t actually looked at the available options at all. You’re repeating the common misnomers that others have brought into the world and seem to offer very little actual information.


    • gon ads

      And so there you are, a typical case in point for point 11. Plus, your little “sad” bit at the end … no guesses to who’s a fan of trump ( or at least picked up his verbal techniques)

  7. Jack Northrup

    I am/was very pro Linux. The daily updates are getting the best of me 175 to 250MB a day is ridiculous. That is no exaggeration. I have a lot of programs, because my computer is my total entertainment, but that is still unbelievable. The biggest mistake I ever made was switching from 14.04 to 16.04.

  8. Auslander

    I agree with this. I’m writing this from Xubuntu running on an early Macbook Air. I’ve probably put about 8-9 hours of significant customization work into this thing to get it acceptable for real productivity. I love Linux. But you can’t very well love something you’re not willing to be honest about. And virtually everything you pointed out has frustrated me at one point or another.

    I prefer not to touch “programs” when evaluating Linux, though. “Programs” is a terribly vast domain. There are academic/scientific programs I use that I prefer to use on Linux. There are engineering programs I prefer to use on Windows. There are productivity tools I prefer to use on a Mac.

    You are right though, about gaming. Windows owns gaming, and I don’t see that changing very soon.

  9. Patrice FERLET

    My god…

    It’s Complicated ? My mother uses a Linux Fedora, she wasn’t engeneer, she doesn’t know how works a computer, she used Windows earlier and I installed (in a couple of minutes) a Fedora on her new computer because she didn’t want to pay more (she saw that the compuer was discount without Windows) And she *never* called me for a “problem” (she did with Windows). So, no, it’s not complicated… really. Software are in repositories that are proposed on a nice UI where she can search terms. Eg. she typed “photo” and Fedora proposes Gimp, Darktable, ufraw… with screenshots, description. She only had to press “install” and that’s all ! can you say that for other OS where you must “download” then “install”, choose destination, read to not install a search bar on chrome (thanks for spywares…) ?

    “It Changes Constantly” => you’re using Ubuntu, that’s why. Fedora (for example) proposes Gnome as primary desktop since a loooooooong time. And it changes interface to Gnome Shell 4 or 5 years ago. Windows changes interface each version. And that’s not a problem actually. Hopefully OS changes !!!

    “It’s Free” !!!! “Free as freedom man !” A lot of enterprises sell Linux distribution with support (Canonical, Red Hat…) This is not a argument. The freedom is for “developpers” who can use, modify and redistribute as they want ! The freedom is not really seen by users

    “Programs Suck” – sorry but “noooo”. It is not because you are not accustomed to these softwares that they are less good. I personnaly use Linux as primary OS since 2001. I never tried Office until last year. And I can say “Office sucks” **for me**. I prefer a simpler interface, to be able to double-cllique on header and footer to change them, I prefer the way it’s designed. It is only a matter of habit ! And I can say the same for lot of software: darktable for photos, ardour to compose music, chromium for the web, and so on…

    And I don’t want to continue on other “reasons” you gave, everuthing is a troll here.

    Really, I understand you wanted to have a lot of visits on your blog by trolling, but please…

    (sorry for my english)

    • MrT

      Patrice, “complicated” is a relative notion. I assume it depends what one does with it. Linux Mint is hardly different than using Windows once a user is setup, i.e., point and click for the most part and type a few passwords here and there. I started with Linux 2 weeks ago and, after some issues with performing a dual boot due to my laptop having a UEFI firmware instead of BIOS, I got going pretty fast and replaced the Linux Kernel and several drivers. I am scientific trained, but I am not a computer geek! I agree that the updates are out of control: every day you get some… I am starting to think that I should have given more space to my Linux on the SSD or in 1-2 years I will be running out of space!
      I started with Ubuntu, but the many updates of the OS not just the drivers or programs began driving me nuts after 1 day and that is why I switched to Mint, although perhaps it was understanding the LTS (Long Term Support) thing that made my life easier.
      As for the programs and freedom, I think that this is more complicated. Some of us MUST use MSFT Office! Period. If I am working and I need to run complex spreadsheets with macros and functions, there is no real choice. And I need to be able to share those spreadsheet with other co-workers. So it is not right to say ” I prefer X or Y”. Sometimes one just does not have a choice. In the financial world, many people use Bloomberg or Reuter’s Eikon. Not sure about Bloomberg, but Ikon absolutely works only in Windows and it is VBA super-heavy. So each needs to choose based on his or her needs and not just following the “WIndows/Linux/OSX” thing.
      I like free programs, but they must reach a certain standards. Below that, “Thank you, but no thank you!”. I went to great lengths to install Sage Math, but Wolfram Mathematica is definitely a better overall product. R on the other hand, works fine in either Windows or Linux, although Linux is always lagging version-wise, but that is a minor issue.
      The Community, Linux Mint Forums, is overall good, but there are too many with approximative knowledge and just a few who are really Linux-masters. Also, it seems that a lot of people get to Linux to use super-old laptops with weak specs and, often, the answers based on those machines do not work on newer ones. Linux is a tad too much behind the curve of specs, in my opinion. I got mightly misled when everyone talks about BIOS, when most laptop/desktop have been on UEFI for at least 4-5 years.
      Too many applets are useless, do half what they claim or do not work at all. That made me understand that software for pay is not always a bad thing. Applets or desklets that do not work should NOT be allowed. Period. Yes, it is easy to uninstall, but it wastes time and mine the confidence of users.
      I love the command line, I think that Windows is too easy and boring. But really, after one week of writing scripts, I already lost the interest. I should write big ones, but I have no idea what to try doing since mostly I need to use programs developed by team of experts, Python, R, Mathematica, etc.
      I installed a TOR browser ( i can do that in WIndows as well, I know) but I am not planning on buying weapons or selling stolen merchandise in the dark web, so I wonder what I really can do with it, aside from being more anonimous… That is the way things go. I was very young but I still recall people fighting over which one was better between Lotus 1-2-3 and, I think, Quatro Pro, or something like that. Both were defeated by MSFT in the end…

  10. Aralia Fresia

    I hate how Linux is so complicated and it seems to hate musicians and artists, who want crisp, clear images, but there is so much delay in the video software and fuzzy images too it makes me sick, and just when you think you’ve figured out how to do something, in a sleep deprived state, the toolbars disappear and you spend 5 hours trying to get them back.

  11. Lara Daeskiwicz

    I’m so irritated at how FUZZY all the videos are in some of the software in Linux, such as the SMPlayer, and then suddenly the toolbar goes away and you spend 5 hours trying to figure out how to get it back.

  12. Rymar

    What a crock. Windows 10 is nothing more than malware disguised as an operating system. OS/X is so locked down by Apple it’s mostly good for running Adobe crap.Linux is complicated? So is Windows or OS/X if you’ve never used them before. Slow? Not on my i7 rig with Nvidia 1080, 2 SSDs and 16Gb DDR3 it’s not. Games? Blah that’s for adolescents with too much time on their hands. Is Linux secure? Absolutely. Uptime is measured in months and it’s the operating system of servers and super computers. Would I pay $180 for Windows…not in this lifetime. So while all you Windows users worry about Crypto and ransomware my system will just keep on running. I have never had an issue with hardware drivers or support. Ask any Linux problem on Google and there will be an answer. I think that the author is misinformed in the very least.

    • Nghia

      Linux secure? BS detected. Ever heard of Heartbleed? And you cal that secured? And the problem on any system will be answered, not just linux community. The reason why linux doesnt have much malwares or viruses because the market share is low. The benefit of gaining money from linux isnt worth compared to other OSes.

      • abcd

        ^You probably don’t even know what caused heartbleed. It makes me cringe everytime I see people that has 0 knowledge what he’s talking about landing a hot opinion.

    • John

      Being poor is not an excuse for using poor quality operating systems such as Linux.

    • Boyle

      Games for adolescents? Man, you must be either 80 years old or you have been buried in some cellar for last 10 years. But it would explain why you defend Linux so much, boring and dull person.

    • MrT

      Sure, on my $5-6k workstation with huge resources I have less problems than most. I do not game any more for I realized that life is better lived in person than on screen. But I would not say no to some VR games! I always wanted to find out what it is like to climb Mount Everest, for instance. I surely am not going around shooting right and left, but some do. I do not mind to pay the $200 for WIndows 10 Pro, although I would prefer not doing that. What upsets me is that WIndows has taken over most decisions on upgrades and I need to keep checking that my privacy is kept at some standards at least. Richard Stallman a few years ago complained that Ubuntu was doing fishy things with users’ privacy. FInally, Linux has too many updates too. Every 2-3 days my tray has a few or more than a few. That is too much Windows-like. As I wrote in other places, to me the biggest surprise is how many people get to Linux to use it on very old machines with subpar specs. But theeven bigger surprise is to find out that drivers are often provided for the old machines and not for the newer cpu’s and gpu’s. That is not good as far as I am concerned. I had to go find drivers for my Kaby Lake 7820, and my Nvidia Quadro P5000 and for the GPU still I am not sure I got a really good driver. And Linux (all distros) should clean the house of the many applets and deskets that are only a hint of something good or do not work at all. I installed many, but I think I uninstalled 95% of them within 2 hours. I do not know if it will ever be possible, but aside from the kernels, the most Linux-able people should make an effort to put together more professional programs for those who need to process images or films, those who need access to advanced scientific software, productivity software and some gaming too, why not? I mean, a community is a little bit of many different people and if there is no attention to what people need and/or want, the community will always stay small which it is compared to Windows. We are a niche, and likely are going to stay that way unless the way things are done change. Just my opinion, but the numbers seem to prove me right.

  13. Rolf Obermaier

    You are absolutely right about a few important things. Specially about the whole cult/sect behavior, a lot of open source in a bunch of closed minds. They accept no suggestions, no critic; they take all as offensive, everything is an attack. And the software… I know, it’s free, thank you… But GIMP is not Photoshop, not even remotely close, not by far. Inkscape is not Illustrator and is far worse than a 15 year old Corel Draw (yes, it’s free, thank you). The problem is that many Linux programs are made by great programmers that copy successful programs to indulge other programmers. Photoshop, Corel etc. are made by programmers and designers that need to sell those programs to design companies. I love Linux, I love Gnome, I believe MATE and Cinnamon are the reflection of a resistance for change spirit. I love GIMP and Inskscape, I am grateful, those are free wonders. But not better, because somewhere else, a great programmer is earning a lot of money making Photoshop better for designers, while a beautiful community of programmers are making funny codes, and extensions, and add-ons for GIMP that real designers don’t have the time or ability to reconfigure and upgrade, and improve a program they should be using out-of-box. And yes, thanks for the free software, is nice for basic users, it’s all my mom needs, and in many cases it’s anecdotal for professional users

  14. User

    I’d add another reason:

    Some major Linux distros (For example: Ubuntu, Fedora) tend to look like a worthless imitation of the currently in-vogue version of Windows.

    Linux distros developers should stop thinking that imitating the last Windows will get Linux more popular. The last Windows (Windows 10) looks wrong anyway, regarding the user interface: comes with a lot of default crap and the interface itself looks too cryptic.

    The Linux community should strengthen the Linux distros by first fixing some important bugs, while keeping a decent user interface: KDE, MATE or Cinnamon should be good enough for most of the users.

  15. piro st

    I don’t understand with what OS are you comparing linux based OS. Microsoft and Apple just throws more in marketing and that’s an undeniable fact. With this post you try to alienate people from the world of linux, instead of whining about the problems why don’t you just solve them . Customize it to your need, If It ain’t broke break It, contribute to the cause and stop throwing mud .

  16. delory

    Something that annoys me greatly about both Windows and Linux is just as I am about to click on a button or scroll bar (ie. my finger is in motion and is milliseconds before the actual ‘click’ occurs) the operating system pops open a new window/dialog/advertisement etc.. which then gets clicked – as my nervous system/physical kinematics cannot respond fast enough to prevent the click..
    Surely there should be some setting that prevents a new window/popup/etc.. from receiving clicks until a timeout period has elapsed (eg. 100milliseconds)?

  17. Mark Uy

    recently i have been experiencing several BSODs on my Windows Machine and then i decided to move to Linux. Damn my gtx1060 performed like a gtx650 that i used to have. and no amount of Terminal bullshit can fix that. but, i will be sticking to Ubuntu for a month or 2 until i save enough money to move to a new Ryzen Machine. Going to the Terminal just to force VSYNC on my gtx1060 is fucking absurd.

    and i feel bad for you John especially with the rants that the Linux community threw at you. I mean they keep on complaining about shit but never offered a viable to the issues that you have raised. most of them were just insults.

  18. Binkie

    Linux is awesome. It can do everything Windows does – except for reeeally bizare and unreasonable tasks. Such as for instance wanting to turn on Bluetooth headphones and have the PC automatically connect to them and make them the active sound output device, and then return output to the speakers when the headphones disconnect. I mean, who in their right mind would want such bizarre behaviour from their PC, right?

  19. Silvio

    I have just Ubuntu installed in my laptop.
    And I identified myself with many of the topics, specially #3 and #6.
    Why changing stuff so madly and pointlessly?
    One tiny but very frustrating example: Ubuntu 17.04 simply changed scrolling direction of mouse wheel. And there isn’t any f*cking option in GUI to change that. WHY?
    What was being a fairly good user experience turned out a unfrutiferous search for a solution.
    The slowness is screaming too. How is it possible to a system running on i5 processor, 8 GB RAM and SSD, besides NVIDIA graphics be soooo slow?

  20. sandyfrench

    You nailed it my friend. I was an avid Linux fangirl years ago using the now defunct Klikit Linux, which was (in its brief existence) a great little distro, but it fell apart mostly because the founder completely just lost interest, then the community fell apart, and that was that. And as for fights on the forum… boyohboy… there were fights alright. Many because of the misogynistic attitudes of the weirdly-religious-geeky-man/boys who seem to be oh so common within computing/Linux in general. Admittedly, I have a rather bawdy sense of humour, but sheesh…. I got fed up with all the crap and nastiness. The good side however, was that I met my now husband on that same forum! So there ya go. And no hes not a misogynist.
    As for systems, I now run with a Mac laptop which I absolutely love. Recently, I looked into Linux again to run on my only 3 year old windows laptop that was choking on windows, and have found that even top ranked distros are buggy, hard to install, and are laggy. So far, Deepin seems to be the best. But all in all, I am reminded of why I gave up. Sadly.

  21. Spanky

    Start with free live Linux Mint. Optionally just pick the Mint with Mate and 64bit if that’s what you have. Don’t use a dead old computer. Use your best. Folks will GIVE you a computer beyond the recommended specs required. That said, crappy monopolistic devices and peripherals don’t count. Almost all of those can be made to work; but why add work? Use good hardware that’s not gummed up with dust bunnies. Now. There’s the LEAST bad experience you will ever see installing anything. If you can’t do it get a friends assistance.

    Don’t Virtualbox (or other), don’t WINE (just run native apps on the OS your trying), don’t even dual boot Windows(but KEEP Windows for a while or you will forget what’s wrong with Windows). Bounce back and forth for a year or so. Use a different computer (each) and devote the whole thing to it. At least a whole drive. Why make more work for yourself?

    After maybe a year and if you’re really into it you can build your own custom setup by just installing (download and put on startable/bootable USB) Live Debian_stable (I suggest the Mate version for better scaling, familiarity and nice helper app parts you’ll want).

    • Spanky

      Themes and looks are almost incidental and default looks matter little. There’s always a better theme. Why would you ever go all geek and move to Debian later? The foundation and and it’s the only one that upgrades into a new (about ever two years or so) release version. It’s perpetual. It’s universal. It’s improves constantly. You’ll have to decide when YOU want faster hardware. Plus if your system dies it’s easier and faster to get beck up on a new one (or drive). Always do your backups; on ANYTHING.

  22. Erik

    I REALLY want to use linux for work. I have been tinkering with many distros for years. It is faster… and certainly more secure than Windows. I am in the real estate business and run 3 monitors off of an R7 265 GPU. The majority of my work is web-based with image editing and lots of document handling. I have a an old Brother HL5150D laser printer (13 year old workhorse!) and a cheap HP multi for scanning only. It is a crying shame that I cannot get either the Brother printer or the HP scanner to work reliably in any flavor of linux. That is the major stumbling block to better adoption and acceptance of the linux desktop. So I try dual booting… but anytime I build a new PC (or swap in a new SSD and OS Installs) it is hours of tinkering and searching to make it work… and sometimes it just does not. I can get the Brother printer to work but it is painfully slow when it does… the scanner is truly awful compared to the windows side. So if a guy like me (not a programmer beyond BASIC) who has been using multiple platforms for over 30 years has to learn deep linux tricks, or research and purchase specific peripherals around the OS, is having this much trouble just making things work… there is a real problem. I hope things change for the better and I can experience the speed, simplicity, and security of linux in my daily work tasks. But unfortunately the frequent downtime due to compatibility issues far outweighs any efficiency gains and security improvements that could be realized.

  23. SDog

    Sorry my comments below weren’t directed at Manmath. I placed them as a reply, but should have been a separate comment. Again, sorry about that.

    • SDog

      I am in IT Middleware running mostly RHEL servers for about 10 years now. I have also been running linux at home for about the same time. I try to do all my video editing, music production, playing… everything really… in linux. I’d say I love linux, but I think really I’m in love with the idea of linux. Nothing in this article is incorrect. It was actually well presented by a well spoken fellow. Yesterday I corrupted my xfce menu (again), and late today, as my wife cries because I’ve ignored her for a day and a half while I fail to fix it, I’m heading back to kde (again).

      I’m a pretty strong defender, promoter and secret lover of this thing called linux, and I also hate it with the seething passion of a 10 year disfunctional relationship.

      Anyway, cut this dude a break. All he’s doing is telling the truth.

      • HR

        At last a sensible comment.. thanks.. I love Linux for server work(although RHEL are NOT my favorite.. to say the least).. hate it for office and programming.. to each his own.. and I concur with your feeling of: “.. passion of a 10 year disfunctional relationship”.. that hit the spot..

  24. Dawid

    Nobody force you to use Linux! People like you should use Windows OS for ever! But many people try Linux and it will simplify their life. For me Linux is more easy. When I want to install some programs, I do apt-get install something and it is. No more fucking installers, registers, permission problems. But.. it’s not for all. I really don’t want to be spyed by Windows and Microsoft.

    There are no OS software that will not expensive in any case. When you start to use Windows or Linux you must spent some time to learn it. Don’t say that you not!

  25. brad

    I agree that there are some annoying issues, but the positives far way outweigh the negatives. I run Manjaro XFCE and I’m pleased as punch with it. The XFCE desktop has remained consistent, and with an SSD, booting from grub menu to XFCE takes five seconds. It’s a rolling release, which means I don’t have to reinstall with every new release. I also like the fact that I can always find a program that will do what I want without having to pay for it. And all programs, as well as the system are updated with one command — no need to download and reinstall. You would do well to write a post outlining “Why Linux is Great!” to provide some balance.

    • Binkie

      You would do well to actually read an article before commenting on it. In this case you’d have read — twice — that he did in fact post a pro-Linux article, right before posting this one.

  26. Shambles

    This was a fun read. I use Apricity OS on my laptop (which unfortunately, was just shut down by the developers), which I use for writing, coding, and basic internet tasks. I enjoy writing scripts using text parsing to display information neatly.

    However, lately I’ve been using 3DSMax, Photoshop, and FL Studio 12 for modeling, art, and music. It just depends on my needs at the time! Linux is great, the whole FOSS philosophy, community-designed operating systems, etc. Well, I’m off to read 6 Reasons to Install Linux (Today!).

  27. ggrablerTiAT

    While I disagree that diversity is bad, I am with you saying that there is too much diversity on both sides, Distributions and Desktops. And you even didn’t mention the “new” kids on the block (as budgie, though, budgie is not that new, or Lumina).

    It is an issue in development (too many projects, too few developers), and creates an issue at support (too many distros) and users (too many choices). Choice is good, choice matters. But what we have now is a mess. Though, it’s what open source is about, and there is nothing we can do about it – people spend their free time on things they want to do, and it’s absolutely legit.

    • Manmath Sahu

      #1 Choice is good. Chaos is bad. And too many choice leads to chaos.
      #2 Good choice is good. Bad choice is bad. And Linux is full of bad choices. Let me explain. How many media players are there in Linux land? Definitely more than 100. And what do they do? Play a/v files. But it’s appalling to see the state of video acceleration across those media players. While the community touts Intel gpu has the best support, It’s still difficult to play hd content with proper video acceleration: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=133274

  28. Chad Cooper

    Microsoft is just a monopoly anyways. Yes, its true that Windows just “works” for most people. However, when you think about how it costs at least $100 just to add an office suite to it when you can get all that for free in Linux on MANY distros, it can’t be beat. Yeah, Linux is not perfect and it is constantly being updated, but at least the developers DO care enough to keep the software updated. Frequent distro version changes can be unerving, but with new patches, and fixes this prevents vulnerabilities like ransomware and other security holes from being such a threat. At least the Linux devs are being somewhat creative and not out to make everyone’s pockets empty for emperor Gates’s empire. Come on, some of you have to admit that having free operating systems is a great thing. Linux only continues to get better and better over time. You can always pay hundreds of dollars for “proprietary” software, or you can have all of the competition, creativity, freedom, choices, openness, and the learning experiences of working in the open source and free software family. I had Windows 10 a year ago, but I still felt like something was missing. Sure, everything was plug n’ play and easy to utilize, but the bloatware and cost (when you felt like placing any extra software on Windows) really left me feeling limited and priced out of many options. I have used Windows 10 and about every other version of Windows going back to Windows 3.1 so the experience is there. However, I still generally prefer Linux/BSD/Unix systems (with all of their imperfections or shortcomings) over Windows any day and have never really found good reason to run crawl back in the other direction since!

    • DS7

      really brah?? REALLY?… the Gates Empire???… please dude, it is not, nor has it ever been a big deal to pay for an OS when you consider you need only buy it once and not ever have to worry about it again for years… YEARSSSSSS!!… and hell, most peole find ways of getting Win Os for free anyways.. wtf? you sit and cry over paying 60 bucks for an OS??.. get outta here man!!.. Linux is loaded with faults mostly having to do with being so non user friendly.. I see tons of forums that dont answer jack shit for the simplest of problems.. everyone has partial solutions or shit answers that have your head rolling sideways and off your head after trying to read or understand them all.. packages almost NEVER work out of the box, and compared to Win OS, there is no comparison! Win programs are all about click and install.. DONE!!.. why cant Linux be about more user friendly approaches?… naww, yall wanna make things difficult to feel better in your elitist world of tinkerers and profound thinkers.. nobody cares about that shit! if you want Linux to grow, then make it so it really is about more user friendly compatibility.. packages are hit and miss, dont look right, are half assed when built, and fanfare about the coming of package releases are dull, cuz the marketing is shite, and the real truth about how good they might be is always shady.. You keep talking about paying for Win shit, but its clear you have been in Linux land for waaayyy too long.. stick your head out once in a while.. Ive used Win for ages, and I dont wake up in cold sweats about things I need to pay for on Win.. most of my purchases are for services outside of Windows OS, and are just that, services or programs that I need to do what I want.. why shouldnt they get paid for it?.. last time I paid for Windows OS? never… fuck right! NEVER!! I always managed to get Win free, on trial, or some version that just didnt come with full Microsoft Office (like who cares!).. now that BitTorrent is here, I download whatever I can free.. anything else, of course I pay for.. but Windows aint breakin people’s bank brah.. waay too many other things in life thatll do that shit, while ya gropin yer new iPhone 7… The ONLY reason I switched to Linux was to maintain some semblance of security in my system.. other han that, I would suggest many computer users to steer clear of Linux, as will be a tremendous pain in their ass once they start trying to use it..

      • Bafpunt Strose

        The infighting and the hostile arrogant approach to outsiders are what boggles my mind most. If you’re community driven, why drive people away with either bickering or looking down on them?

    • manmath sahu

      Maybe, you deleted my comment for some reason. What I mean to tell that all major opensource and free software such as libreoffice, gimp, vlc and a lot more are available for all platforms. So linux doesn’t enjoy some novelty here.

  29. Daniel Fernandes (@dmftradutor)

    You’re good at writing! Reason #4 is what annoys me the most. Does Linux have a SERIOUS OCR converter? I looked unsuccessfully every in the Internet for a replacement of ABBYY Fine Reader and I still have to use it in virtual machine. As for LibreOffice braking MS files, it happens more due to the lack of Microsoft’s interest in help to make their files readable by other software apps (at least according to what ODF developers).

  30. onca_the_annoyed

    Linux is like pizza or sex: when the experience is good, it’s very good; but when the experience is bad, it just makes you hate life all the more. I mean, in Debian 7 I can’t even mount a fucking external hard disk without going to the command line and typing some arcane shit… any sane person would simply click “mount” on the desktop icon for the drive, but nooooo this is Linux, it tells you “FAILED TO MOUNT, NOT AUTHORIZED. LOLZ!!!!11!11!” So I have to open a shell and sudo mount etc.

    Thank Christ I’m a computer engineer with 20 years experience, where dumb crap like this just annoy me. I cry for people like my dad who don’t have degrees in IT. And people wonder Bill Gates is a fucking billionaire.

    Oh and before you Linux fanbois screech “BUT LINUX IS FREE DUMASS!!!11!!”… no, my time spent screwing around trying to find “empty rubbish bin” in Lubuntu is definitely *not* free. Just ask my employer.

    • BS detection service

      You are mixing Debian, Lubuntu and Linux. These are separate things.

      Because you generalize things, all problems can also be generalized. It is you only.

      I recommend that you go to school and learn basic things.Like that is the product you are using and how to use it.

      • Be nice! Or at least don't be an asshole!

        lol, you are part of reason #11 of why Linux sucks!

      • Bafpunt Strose

        A very telling reply. OP is explaining what irks him about linux in general and why it does so, and you pounce at some detail that’s clearly just there for illustration to discredit the criticism and throw in some ad hominems.
        This is exactly what keeps new users away. Why would I want to join a club of people who look down on me for being where they once were?

  31. Yevgeny

    Well, so far so good.
    Running Ubuntu, I have found everything I need for home computing including Skype and a RAW editor. Also, it has support for my nostalgically favorite Creative SB Audigy, a PCI oldie which was the reason I bought the MoBo with PCI. I can’t see the reason to get back to Windows now. Thanks all – who has been working on making it possible.
    The positives also include not having to worry about viruses and anti-viruses for that matter, no annoying updates, no restarting my PC countless times – I can’t understand at this point why anyone would subject themselves to that.

  32. asd

    Cant someone just shoot this boy down. Never read that much of self experience bullshit and entitled opinion on my life!

  33. david

    I can confirm that Linux sucks in several wazs. No love from me here. 2 things are good about it though > its free and if zou spend hours and hours on it, zou probablz can do whatever zou want with it. But just because one would probablz need it doesnt mean it doesnt suck. I m writing this on a debian jessie kde, which doesnt tell me where to switch the locale, so all mz Y are Z. To make it more stupid, zou dont find this information easilz on the web, zou have to search and waste zour time. Also, after wasting more time to set non free sources, install bluetooth firmware, debian&kde finallz accepts mz madcatz headset, but keeps ignoring them in the audio setting, Fuck Linux. Over the zears i have tested several distros again and again, and mz impression is that these guzs praise linux for the abilitz to change the background, the fucking wallpaper, but keep worsening everzthing else. and dont let me get started on the boards and websites…

    • Yevgeny

      Sorry about your not so pleasant experience, dude! You sound like a seasoned Linux user who knows his way around the beast, but have you tried Ubuntu? I am fairly new to Linux but when I installed Ubuntu everything worked right out of the box, including the wi-fi USB dongle.

  34. Érico

    as usual, whenever engineers – not only all of them – mess up with Computer Science is something like one that hates sex because he once read it once in kamasutra and didn´t like that much. He prefers a Playboy magazine – get stuck in the toilet while his mom cries out loud and wonders why he is taking too long to leave – to the real thing! 🙂

  35. Yevgeny

    Great points.
    I’ve just installed Ubuntu primarily because I can’t afford to buy Windows and I absolutely don’t want to steal it. For me that makes a big difference. Besides, my Ubuntu installation with all extras it was downloading during the installation process takes up about 5 gb while Win8 I deleted had the 35 gig Windows folder! That’s ridiculous. Besides, Linux is more secure by default which is a good thing. However, a major turn off as of now is no hibernation and as far as I’m concerned it’s not that easy to enable. But I can live with that.

  36. JPE

    John Morris, you are totally right ! specially about the “forums” and the “help” you get there…( not )

    Linux GNU in a way does not suck at all, since it is FREE of charge… why complain to anyone since it is free, only complain if you payed for it…
    I have been screwing around with Linux now for about 10 years or so, still test almost any new Linux distro coming out.
    I still keep coming back to Mate since it is for me the most configurable, at this moment on Point Linux 3.2 but with the apt sources of MX Linux 16, and running sysvinit instead the systemd, a lot of different themes and icons gathered from different distros and it is just flying compared to other Ubuntu based stuff.
    I left the Mint based distros since they are more slower every time a new one arrives sadly.
    The Arch and Fedora i do not like so much ( sorry)
    Once the Weston and Wayland is implemented widely and stable enough who knows…
    Sure Apple if fine , but the price tag …
    Windows just makes me sick, but i had such a nice laugh when the latest “wannacry” attack was in the news , stupid shit OS , serves them well ! this is probably only the beginning.

    • Bafpunt Strose

      I don’t really get the “it’s free so you can’t expect it to work like something you paid for” argument.
      Isn’t the primary objective for it to work? Isn’t that what the community claims to offer and takes the credit for? Why would that be too much to ask? If I want junk for free I can just go dumpster diving. Free worthless.

      • Bafpunt Strose

        edit: meant to say free does not equal worthless using point brackets but they didn’t stick.

  37. rick

    I love linux, and I hate it!
    I hate Windows more!
    I wish I tried OSX, but I can’t buy the expensive machine

  38. Masox

    Autostarting a PDF presentation in Windows is as straightforward as putting a command in a .cmd file and throwing it in the C:\Users\AllUsers\Programs\Startup folder.
    I’ve spent whole day trying to do the same thing on RasPi in the latest Jessie and not only every single one of them is a time consuming, complicated and error prone process of creating MULTIPLE chained script files all over the filesystem, the most frustrating thing is that NONE of those 5 ways explained on the internet f#cking works at all.
    And the most retarded thing about it is that I don’t get ANY error message at all, so I have no clue what to look for.
    To make a long story short, that “system” is completely demented.

  39. Ben

    I think alot of comments you made are very wrong. I use both Windows and linux. I do prefer to use linux as there is alot more flexibility, yes it is a learning curve the first time you use it but you forget that it was the exact same experience using Windows for the first time or even a Mac. The main reason i still do use Windows is for the fact of application compatibility for certain programs like Adobe Elements, if not for these specific programs i would ditch Windows completely. In regards to the comments about linux programs suck… yes alot of them do lol, but there alot of great and useful apps and games out there too. The biggest downside to alot of applications are the creators are not paid, or paid in donations. I think its a brilliant idea to have a free operating system, however in order to be able to really push linux to the general public or basic computer users is by getting on board large software developers in order to have their software ported rather then emulated… which sucks lol. Linux has come along way considering 10 years ago linux was so much more complex, alot of hardware is now plug and play, the desktop environments are easier to navigate and there are alot of self installing packages like a normal .exe setup installation in Windows. I personally think linux distributions like Mint or Ubuntu should be sold rather then free so that ultimately one mainstream version of linux can be created and can be improved sooner rather then later for common users (obviously free alternative versions of linux would be available still but the idea is to be able to have a true everday better alternative to Windws). The only other thing i will bring up is the community remark… yes alot of linux users think they are high and mighty.. but users in a windows forum are exactly the same, at the end of the day its where you ask your questions and who you ask. Windows does not suck, i just think linux is heading in a better direction.. Macintosh tho… lol

  40. Thomas Walker Lynch

    About your community “complete jerks” comment. Too true. Two days ago I reported a security problem on Ubutu 17.04. My report was deleted by Vasa1 who apparently was concerned about some sort of reputation points issue. I’ve only been using Linux since kernel .96 … sad to see things come to this. If you need details ask vasa1 he/she is guarding the details.

  41. TaylerNest

    The main reason of all shit in Linux is philosophy. Wine 2.0 and weeks of work can make your system better than Windows for experiencing in everyday life. But still it will always feel like things are not on their place and not practical. And also that’s because of how old main contributors of all Linux distros are. They are kinda people from 1970. Honestly, learning an entire philosophy of Vim or even Emacs just to edit god damn text files is a bullshit.

  42. Matt

    Then stick with your windows copy and enjoy instead of ranting endlessly

    • no

      Or he can tell it like it is instead of pretending it’s perfect like the penguin cult would led people to believe.

  43. riki

    I just bought a Lenovo Idea centre..no OS included..I was sure I read it had win 10 in it, so i took the opportunity to try Linux..long time I want to do it..I installed Mint just a couple of days ago…nice..I just need this set up for internet emailing work..so I try looking fore a kind of word processing app…mmmm understand very quickly that is gonna be just a different nightmare but never the less a nightmare…will see I hope i am wrong as I am fed up with Microsoft.

    • BS detection service

      I never had any kind of nightmare using Windows 10 with emailing and wordprocessing.

      Entrylevel usake is Windows 10 with it’s own mail app, works perfectly with Microsoft account what is intended to be used to log in computer mail login happens simultaneously. And for writing there is https://office.live.com

      You can use that with Windows 10 Edge browser. It stores files to OneDrive and that is also is connected to same Microsoft account.

      If this is not enough your needs, you can buy MS Office 365 subscription to get more features and better suitability to use heavier data volumes.

      I have no problems to use other operating systems either to email and word processing.

  44. Jorge Molina Jr.

    I just recently started dabbling with all the different Linux distributions that I could install on my PC and I have to say that all the distributions are lacking in one area or another. Don’t get me wrong, most are functional and I have noticed the difference in speeds between using Linux and Windows. All that functionality is wasted though due to the lack of quality applications for regular users. From what I’ve experienced and based on everyone’s comments, Linux only serves a purpose for advanced users and system administrators and that is great but at this point it’s not a great substitute for Windows or OSX because of it’s lack of resources for a normal user. The reason why Windows and OSX are better when it comes to acceptance is because of the user friendliness, quality of their software (apps) and the easy installation process. Some of you may say well those operating systems are for idiots amongst other nasty things but the truth is this, people actually have lives and value “time”. Very few people like to spend all day dabbling with Linux trying to figure everything out. Now I’m not trying to knock those advanced users who put in that time and work to offer themselves a great experience and contribute to the open structure, but let’s be real and put our personal preferences to the see the overall picture here. Linux serves it’s purpose, but it’s purpose tends to be focused more towards the advanced user even though they’ve made the Linux UI seem user friendly but that is where it ends). Windows may have it’s own serious flaws but people will still choose it because of it’s focus on the overall user experience from beginners to advanced users alike. Even though I personally hate Apple because it has become the very same chauvinistic corporation it once accused IBM of being, OSX is extremely user friendly for beginners.

  45. Notascrublikeyou

    I think you just don’t know how to use a computer past baby hand holding GUI’s. Almost everything you listed are the GOOD things about linux. Have fun with your easily exploitable windows, and you over priced wanna be Linux Mac’s. While your trying to pick up the pieces of your life after it gets ruined by hackers or the inability to possibly keep up with apples over priced hardware, I’ll be over here using my Linux system correctly that still work fine 10 years down the road.

    • Tony B

      I agree that Linux will be working fine 10 years down the road. But your sneering and condescending attitude to users who only understand GUIs (note no apostrophe required) is precisely why Linux will never penetrate the desktop market.

      Like it or not, the reason desktop machines became affordable was because of mass-market penetration thanks to the ease of use.

      If the Linux community put on a welcoming and helpful attitude – something that you would clearly never understand – more people might want to have a bash at bash…

      • HR

        could not agree more.. thank you sir.. the Linux community problem no.1 in a nutshell..

      • Drake

        I’ve been uskng linux for a little over a year now. Messed around eith ubuntu, mint, zorin, MX, dabbled in tails and completely failed with manjaro due to it creating a root acount during installation and then locked it without any choice to change password or add a user. So its frusterating at times, but a lot of this community shit is just the nature of the beast. Half the threads i go on, if you post ” ive tried option X, due to having problem Y. It didnt work, i dont know the next step here. Does anyone have an idea how to go forward?” you will recieve nothing but help and kind treatment. Thats the problem, the other half has been filled with people that say “x doesnt work. Fix it.” or otherwise showed 0 incentive to understand the problem or attempt to solve it. Linux is built on a community of problem solvers and information seekers. You cant go to such a group of people demanding help without having tried anything to fix your problem. Hell, ive had 0 problems installing or using linux, but im the type that kikes full control to modify and customize, and with that comes the risk of breaking your operating system. I fucked GRUB up so bad it went into recovery mode and refused to boot any installed OS. I had nothing but help because i detailrd my problem, how i got there, what i tried to fix it woth, and asked for help, not for them to do it for me.

  46. dave mayr

    linux sucks as, and I’m a developer/programmer. It’s only for companies with very low/tight budgets that can’t even hire a proper system admin because linux is never consistent stable, even now.

    FREE isn’t worth it if it’s utter fucking garbage.

    • BS detection service

      System admins don’t use kernel. It is software developers job to use kernel in product.

      System admins use stable operating systems like Red Hat Enterprise.

        • Antonio

          This. Everyone knows Linux means Linux Distro. Only stupid FSF zealots that push GNU/Linux crap don’t. (GNU is full of useless crapware)

      • Scion

        I’ve noticed, “…detection service,” that, poor English aside, your comments are less than useless and you don’t seem to have a clue about the industry, or be able to listen to constructive criticism. As others have pointed out, users such as yourself are one of the Linux community’s biggest drawbacks.

  47. Tony B

    I would best describe myself as a PC Power User and a Ubuntu dabbler. I love the philosophy behind Linux and the open source movement. But, despite the fact that embedded Linux is everywhere (particularly in the IoT) and runs many servers out there, the reason it will never catch on on the desktop is that, apart from sending emails, browsing the web and writing documents using the excellent OpenOffice suite, one has to resort to a Terminal session to do anything. Now unless you perversely enjoy such activities (I secretly admit that I do), dabbling in the command line will be terminal (pun intended) to the average person’s enthusiasm for getting to grips with Linux.

    I recently installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS as a dual boot with W10. It’s the first time an install went smoothly and I was impressed. But then I decided to install Skype. Soon I was trawling various forums, scouring posts from mostly well-meaning but incomprehensible geeks who were clearly more advanced that I was and equally abrupt, brusque and (I suspect) mildly annoyed that I’d popped my head up there. And this is why Linux will never catch on.

    There was a reason Bill Gates and Steve Jobs became rich. Particularly the latter made computing easy and productive for the average user from installation through to day-to-day use.

    I really hope that Linux finds a way to penetrate the desktop environment, but the community is going to have to be a whole lot better at being welcoming and selling its product to the average user than it is now if it wants to make headway…

    • BS detection service

      Desktop software usually runs on servers using Linux.

      It’s not very interesting what browser component is in client side.

    • BS detection service

      In past, Skype is installed by doubleclick installation package what you can download from Microsoft.

      So if Microsoft’s application is not working, it is bug in Microsoft’s application.

  48. Harold

    1 – Windows OEM has been unavailable since Vista. Windows can only be installed by a licensed Microsoft seller.

    3- Well Windows has updates ever 6 months as well. And many Win 7 users lost access to applications and hardware with the major update last year (to Win 8) – without any hope of recovery.

    4 – There’s really only two distros – Red Hat and Debian. And they have a lot in common. The reason theres so many is cos the main ones don’t actually work on many systems.

    7 – That like complaining that you can’t get Office on a Commodore 64. Its either there or its not.

    8 – Buy a Playstation. There are no shortage of problems on a PC with gaming anyway.

  49. Aeomer

    The funniest part of the abusive comments you have received is Linus agrees with you! He’s on the record as saying Linux has numerous flaws which, because of the Linux community mentality, will likely never be fixed.

    I doubt many of those posting understand the issues with Linux task scheduling, why Linux does not natively support the ProActor pattern (FreeBSD and Windows do) and why that’s hugely significant for Grid computing and hardware sharing in virtual machines. I doubt many understand the silliness of many distros enabling THP by default and how it negatively affects server performance and stability if not handled well but on desktop installs can be a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” issue due to memory allocation strategies which need to meet ancient compatibility issues.

    I doubt many of those posting have really thought about how dot files processing assumptions are holding back file system paradigm development at human level.

    Linux developers have an idea the know how to program for BSD and Windows, but invariably create software installers which leave crap everywhere in a way that is worse than OSX ._. droppings. They also store software settings in user document folders and assume the user wants to put their files for given piece of software in a directory named after that software in the user’s document folder – that’s just moronic and anti-choice. When a Windows developer does that, they are pilloried for their noobish behavior.

    Linux has, for the most part, be a huge benefit to the computing world in general, but it’s user base has become too entrenched and opinionated. The base system is slow and design choices just plain odd.

    I stick with BSD. It has its own flaws (file system dot silliness etc), but at least it’s consistent.

  50. bob

    Your example for reason 2 is very poorly supported. “Less than one year later, Ubuntu releases looked like this:” That’s true, but it’s also true that it looked like the first example for many years and then looked like the second example for many years. Being the same for years, then changing, then remaining the same for years is not “Changes Constantly” By your logic you could show a screenshot of Windows 7 and then say “Less than one year later, Windows looked like this:” followed by a screenshot of Windows 8 and then declare that Windows change constantly.

  51. Edward Roberts

    People become almost religious about: Linux, Windows, PC’s , and Mac. I have been in the Linux camp for years (since I gave up the Mac to do serious work in the DOD simulation industry). But, I agree, your points are valid. I have come to the conclusion that Linux is for real “geeks” and Windows is for desktop “users”. I am proud to be a “geek” and once worked for a great little company where “geek” was an official job classification. We used Linux.

      • BS detection service

        You steal my nick. Linux is not operating system and that is reason why it is impossible to compare to Windows.

        Linux is however superior compared to Windows kernel.

  52. Rimas

    OMG, I couldn’t agree more with your points! It’s been more than ten years now since Ubuntu came with the promise to make Linux major on the Desktop. Yet, what has changed? Yes, we’ve got more choices than ever today, but none of them seem to stand out, and all have so simple, yet so annoying papercuts that I can’t help but wonder “how on earth this slipped into the release?”…

    • BS detection service

      What is changed since 2004, almost all desktop software that people are using now are running on servers using Linux and Ubuntu is market leader there, in public cloud.

      No one really cares what operating system is in front end as long as it can run HTML5 applications.

      • huh

        Nobody cares about your fart apps. Real professionals use software made for Windows.

        • Notascrublikeyou

          No, real professional use a mix of Linux and Windows just about equally. Most corporate software that runs on windows is because it’s legacy software that was never updated or developed further and nothing was made to replace it, so they’re stuck using it. Don’t pretend to be a pro, you clearly have never worked for any IT related company. You probably don’t even know the difference between a file server and a DHCP server.

          • no

            It seems you are the pretender here. Legacy apps only? Sure m8

  53. poamm poamm

    I had noticed the speed difference over the years myself (I don’t complain). However, most recently I have been installing my newer distro releases on somewhat older hardware again, and it NOT slowing down near as much as I had come to expect. I figured they changed something under the hood that accounts for it. I hope it is intentional and continues. I have even gone back to installing on friends “old” computers when they upgrade to a newer Windows box, and they are once again saying things like “Damn thats fast, its faster than my new Windows 10 computer!”

    I use Mageia now. Been using Linux for 25 years or so, I haven’t booted to Windows for anything in at least 10 years.

    • Notascrublikeyou

      You are correct most distros do adjust themselves based on hardware. Hence why the raspberry pi community is 99% Linux 1% other Unix systems like Solaris

  54. jack

    BS detection service

    my current problems with computers are that I have to restart my router a couple of times a year, connection works

    but I cannot login.

    Why do you keep breaking it?

    It is your responsibility 99% of the time it is the user

    you cannot even fix your own problems, so why don’t you just go away moron

    • BS detection service

      “Why do you keep breaking it?”

      I didn’t made that. I bought preinstalled router and there is bug or hardware is broken.

      “It is your responsibility 99% of the time it is the user”

      I have eliminated possibility to user error. I have reset it to factory defaults and installed all updates and issue was still there.

      “you cannot even fix your own problems, so why don’t you just go away moron”

      Are you retarded? I didn’t cause that problem! I didn’t install software there that was unsupported. It is manufacturer or ISP responsibility now.

      Do it yourself == is taking responsibility if no one promises compatibliity

  55. Bogdan Ionita

    dude, you sound like you know nothing about linux! Don’t take Ubuntu as an example for all distros, they are very different from each other. Let me comment on each of your statements:
    1. Linux is not complicated – it might appear so for an inexperienced user, but it’s actually much more simple than windows or osx. It’s simple in the sense that you can actually modify and tweak it in any way you like easily. Try that with windows or osx. In Linux every resources is a file, and every configuration is stored in a text file. How’s that complicated?
    2. You’re anything but alone. The linux community is great and I have always found help online whenever i had questions regarding any distro i tried. Also, linux offers you the possibility and power to fix it yourself. When windows or osx breaks, you’ve nothing to do but format and reinstall. Linux you can always fix. And Linux usually doesn’t break unless you do something stupid.
    3. Change is also a good thing. I don’t agree either with the direction Ubuntu took with Unity several yeas ago, but that is not representative of linux in general. Usually linux changes in small steps and usually the changes are for the better. Just take a look at windows 8 and what it did from win 7… what a mess…
    4. Competition is not pointless, it drives improvement. And having choises is always good. I know in windows or osx you don’t usually have choices, and you may have got used to that, but damn that’s so limiting! I love having options. And I love that all the software i use has competition, because that makes it improve faster. Hell, i even switch alternatives every once in a while.
    5. Hardware support used to be an issue in the past, but not any more. Most distros support most hardware out of the box.
    6. Slow??? Are you kidding me? Linux is the fastest OS, there’s a reason why it runs on most of the world’s servers and embedded devices.
    7. Applications. If you’re a professional doing video editing or stuff that requires dedicated software, then your OS is not really a choice, just go with the one that the software runs on. Otherwise, you can pretty much find apps for anything on linux, and lots of them. Sure, Gimp may not gave all the features of Photoshop, but remember, it costs several thousand bucks less – zero that is. And I have used photoshop in the past, bee using gimp for several years now and can do everything i need with it, in a slightly different way that photoshop. But I don’t miss the commercial apps, the free ones are good enough. LibreOffice – who needs Ms Office? Libre has everything you need and it’s free. So yes, on linux you can find pretty much everything you need free of charge, how cool is that?
    8. Gaming. Partly agree here, it’s not linux’s strong point. But in the last years it’s been less of a problem. Now many games can be run with wine, and there are lots of alternative linux native games as well. But if you’re a passionate gamer, just go get a playstation, it’s much more convenient than even using windows.
    9. it’s free. well yeah, how’s that a weakness? if someone gave you a free car, would you turn it down because it doesn’t have autopilot? Now you should be aware, that yes, payed software has a team of dozens of experts behind it, but opensource software has the whole world. Many more developers, and every user can be a QA.
    10. philosophy – it’s necessary to have principles. And linux is not unpractical unless you really do it wrong. Choose the right distro for you and you’ll be pleased.
    11. the jerks in the community – these are not specific to linux in any way. There are jerks and good people everywhere, on every forum or real life.

    • Tony B

      “Linux is not complicated – it might appear so for an inexperienced user, but it’s actually much more simple than windows or osx. It’s simple in the sense that you can actually modify and tweak it in any way you like easily. Try that with windows or osx. In Linux every resources is a file, and every configuration is stored in a text file. How’s that complicated?”

      That’s not the definition of simple. What you really mean is that it’s flexible. Absolutely – I agree. But learning how to be effective and not dangerous in terminal sessions takes a fair amount of learning. And that’s not simple for the average user.

      I can go and buy a PC or a Mac, run the GUI based setup and be productive within an hour. I can also install a wide range of compatible programs that will usually take a minimum amount of fiddling to get going. That’s generally not the case with many Linux distros – sorry.

      I love fiddling with ubuntu – I’m retired now and have time to have fun learning to use the command line. But the average user wouldn’t be that patient.

    • Scion

      You say that if something is going south on Mac OS X your only avenue is to “format and re-install” – are you for real? Have you even sat down in front of a Mac before? Good God. OS X is pretty damned solid with only rare issues, usually caused by power interruptions, and if Apple’s own disk utility can’t fix it, then 99.99% of the time a $35 dollar investment in DiskWarrior will. There is no comparison about ease of use, amount of software available, or simplicity in repairing the (extremely rare) issues that might arise with Mac OS X compared to Linux. I have Lubuntu installed on an older Mac, and while it is interesting to toy with, it’s a huge pain in the butt to contend with things that are no issue at all on the Mac.

  56. Larry

    BS detection service

    Your comment


    So in the last day you have decided that they are LINUX Distros

    • BS detection service

      Operating systems using Linux are called “linux distros”. However, this is different thing than Linux (which is kernel), and operating systems using Linux have little to do with each other.

      Zorin OS, Android, Mac OS, Ubuntu, Solaris, Mint, Windows, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, ChromeOS, Debian, CentOS, Red Hat Enterprise, Deepin etc. are ALL operatings systems, equal and comparable to each other. Some of them are using Linux, some are not. It just doesn’t matter is there Linux or not.

      If someone says that there is issue in Linux, it should be found all systems using Linux. If someone is talking some nameless operating system “Linux” it makes no sense. It could be everything and all issues may be some Windows problems or user errors or anything.

  57. larry

    BS detection service

    You and others like you are the main reason Linux will always have a low percentage in the market shares.

    Many people may perceive Zorin and others are Linux as some of them are called Linux distros.

    Here are your answers

    1. You are stupid (yourself excluded of course) CRAP

    2. I know there is something wrong with your hardware CRAP

    3. Desktop freezing (WHAT FREEZING) Desktops can freeze so more CRAP

    4.Is something goes wrong or wont install it is always the user CRAP

    5.Someone got what they wanted by having to wipe a harddrive and start again, Yeah that would be great fun. more

    • BS detection service

      “You and others like you are the main reason Linux will always have a low percentage in the market shares.”

      Linux is market leader, there is no low percentage.

      “Many people may perceive Zorin and others are Linux as some of them are called Linux distros.”

      There are no facts to support delusions.

      “I know there is something wrong with your hardware”

      If my hardware and billion other hardware works and your hardware not, what are conclusion? Why sleep mode is not working? Why desktop is freezing?

      “Is something goes wrong or wont install it is always the user”

      99% cases this is true.

      “Someone got what they wanted by having to wipe a harddrive and start again”

      This is good way to remove those 99% errors caused by user. I have seen thousand Windows machines messed up by user. Usually user installed some legacy software, antivirus, “cleaner” or other nonsense “optimizing” software and modified system by using admin right, or installed some malware there and then it is not working.

      After setting preinstalled machine back to factory defaults, as if by magic it works again. This can be deduced that it was user what caused issues.

      It is not suprising that most customer service around world follow the process I wrote here:

      1. Turn it off and on again -> test
      2. Reset back to factory defaults -> test
      3. Install all security updates and bug fixes -> test

      There are also method to find out issues causen by broken hardware like running memtest couple of hours, or full disk surface scan or other hardware diagnostics.

  58. John S

    I don’t hate linux and in fact I think it has come a long way from the hobby OS for geeks. But it’s hardly mainstream even today. I find typically on any laptop you loose 10 to 20 mbps wireless speed over running in Windows just because of cobbled drivers for wifi. Stick with wired if you want good speed. Also the graphic drivers are still bad, don’t get artifacts, scrolling breakup and flickering in Windows. Again, probably just bad drivers. You see where I am going with this. Linux itself isn’t bad, but it sucks because nobody produces really great drivers. Yes, there are a few hardware makers who still find time to throw a bone out to Linux for drivers but not many. Case in point is that Google’s Chrome OS works great even on weaker hardware because they actually produce good drivers for the OS. It’s why many PC makers offer more Chromebooks as options to Windows PC’s than Linux distro’s such as Ubuntu or Mint. If a person wanted to dump Windows and I certainly understand that. I would direct them towards a good Chromebook than Linux. Especially if your a user not really interested in fiddling and trying to get a Linux distro working right.

    • BS detection service

      ChromeOS is “Linux distro”, like Android or Ubuntu or that weird “Zorin OS”.

      Of course it may be hard to users to get working if they do it themselves and not by factory installed machine or machine where compatibility is promised by OS or hardware manucturer. Installing yourself is often hobbyist activity and if user choose to use some hobbyist system like Mint, there is reason to assume that this is what user want: to solve things and fix them.

      This has nothing to do with Linux. It is fact that not all hardware and operating systems are compatible because interfaces between them are standardized only partially.

    • BS detection service

      By the way, thanks by proving what I say.

      It is hardware issue or user issue if laptop loose 10 to 20 mbps wireless speed compared to factory installed ChromeOS LINUX distro.

  59. steve


    spot on, but you dared to mention the freezing word. Where is the little fan boy telling you it must be you? Has he gone

    into hiding, or sitting there typing sudo-apt all day?

  60. Derek


    I like how each distro competes to have the smallest size, and then you can’t move the mouse pointer without it freezing unless you install about 1,000 dependencies….

    You have to use the internet otherwise it will take months, but guess what ? The internet won’t work without installing about 300 dependencies…

    Anything goes wrong and the forum gives some terminal command that is :
    a) wrong.
    b) can be done much more easily through Gnome….

    If you type a terminal command and one character, space or word is wrong the system immediately writes zeroes over the boot strap loader…

    99% of forum answers are
    “Get the new distro, it works excellent”.

  61. Jack

    BS detection service

    Your typed this to apple. I know there is something wrong in your hardware when you told that it takes 25 seconds to start.

    You have also typed It is known that Windows is slower and 25 seconds is acceptable to Windows cold boots.

    Well that is what apple was talking about. It was you that mentioned sleep. So what do you believe?

    • BS detection service

      I was thinking that there was issue with power management and sleep doesn’t work.

  62. jack

    BS detection service

    I agree with the above article

    LINUX Mint Cinnamon

    Deepin LINUX

    Zorin os LINUX distro

    The fault with buggy systems does come back to Linux for allowing others to put the Linux name to different distros.

    • BS detection service

      Linux trademark is exempt to use part of some brand if product or service uses Linux. Google Search is also LINUX, there is no difference. Zorin OS name is Zorin OS and not some “Zorin OS Linux”. Ubuntu OS also uses Linux but the name is “Ubuntu” or “Ubuntu OS”, not “Ubuntu Linux”. There is also product like Red Hat Enterprise Linux and it is good quality product.

      So this means that it doesn’t matter if some product or service using Linux in their branding. This is unrelated to quality.

      It is also possible to think this “Linux” as opposite. Example it is equal to say that Mac OS is crap because it doesn’t use Linux like good quality products use.

  63. apple

    Bs detection service

    Actually seeing as I am not a computer technician, and have not picked any hardware, just operating systems, you still

    are ranting on about hardware I chose. If I offended your feeble little mind I apologise, but why don’t you grow up.

    Like I said half of what you typed had words missing, which made some of it not make sense.. I am sorry for saying

    anything about Mac Mint Cinnamon or Zorin Microsoft. You are so fantastic you never have problems, so I am assuming

    you are a rocket scientist. What is the big deal anyway if I whinged about something, you just could not handle me

    saying anything about Linux, unjustifiably or not. Do the letters FO mean anything to you?

  64. Daniel

    Been using Linux since RedHat 5.0 (long before RHEL). I agree with everything that’s said here. I still love it, use it whenever I can. Apache still blows IIS out of the water and for a large-scale DNS server, I wouldn’t consider anything but Linux or FreeBSD. That said, I agree with every point of this article.

  65. apple

    BS detection service

    My pcs boot easily from usb straight into Linux Mint Cinnamon, so what has that got to do with a system freezing up

    after about half an hour. All you do is go on about crappy hardware I chose. How do you know it is crappy? My favourite

    one you said is your pc sane. You do realize we are talking about a machine, that does not have a brain like a human.

    When I first posted here, why didn’t you just come straight out then and say Zorin and Linux Mint are nothing to do with

    Linux instead of getting all worked up and throwing insults about my machines which you know nothing about, but then

    again I suppose you think you do. If I have blamed Linux unjustifiably, why did you not say that straight up. I have seen

    many people on different forums with freezing issues, update issues, whether it is Windows or Linux, but you say I am

    the only one, get real. Are you honestly saying you have never had a problem with a pc? If you say yes then you are


    instead of getting all worked about me bagging Zorin and Linux Mint, which should not bother you, as you say they

    are not LINUX. Seeing as you like to insult so much, have you thought about having spelling lessons, and not leaving

    words out of your sentences so that they make sense. Half of what you have typed is just gibberish you would expect

    from a 6 year old.

    • BS detection service

      “so what has that got to do with a system freezing up after about half an hour.”

      Your computer may be incompatible and you should fix your issue and not blame others (in this case Linux) for that.

      “All you do is go on about crappy hardware I chose. How do you know it is crappy? My favourite.”

      This is the order:

      1. You decide what you want to do.
      2. You decide what are most suitable tools and enviroment to step 1.. So you choose your ecosystem, operating system and applications
      3. You select your hardware based on specifications you get from step 1. and 2.

      You are now doing backwards, like chose hardware and then run some hobbyist crap on it and you expect it to be magically compatible (which of course is not obvious). Then you may start thinking what you are doing with your computer and blame your issues to Linux fault, even if it is your own fault.

      “why didn’t you just come straight out then and say Zorin and Linux Mint are nothing to do with Linux”

      Second post I wrote: “Another thing is that you cannot relate ZorinOS to other operating systems that are using Linux.”

      So I actually say that almost immediately to clarify things. For me it is obvious to know what company or organization product I’m using. If I use Gmail and have issues in there, I don’t blame Apple for that. Apple and Google are different companies.

      “If I have blamed Linux unjustifiably, why did you not say that straight up.”

      I did. In very first post to you, I wrote this:

      “ALWAYS if someone has to say something negative from anything, there is checklist:

      1. What is the exact product or service you are talking about and what version? Linux is known as market leader kernel, so what is wrong in that?
      2. If there is issue, how I can reproduce it? It is must have way to reproduce issue. That reveals where the issue is. Usually it is user regardless what company software we are using.
      3. If can repeat the issue and you want to blame something, then it is its fault who is promised something to work. Example in compatibility issues, see what are the standards there and if there is no standard, who is specified interface and who is promising that some tech is compatible with that.”

      I wrote that because you started to blameing software without reason. You didn’t tell what product or service you were using, what version or how to reproduce problem. It was very clear that there wasn’t any kind of justification.

      “I have seen many people on different forums with freezing issues, update issues, whether it is Windows or Linux, but you say I am the only one, get real.”

      There are probably two billion Android devices and they usually are not freezing. Yes, Android CAN freeze and my previous HTC freeze twice a year but I didn’t know whether it was the battery, some driver, HTC UI modification, Linux or memory chip that caused it. Then I just turn it off and on again, and problem was solved.

      I expect that complex technology like computers can sometimes freeze but I don’t blame the software if I don’t know that there is fault. But if I know that there are billions of users, usually without freezing but you have issues, it is likely that the reason for issues are related to you, your hardware or both.

      Linux is known to be reliable. There are billions of users every minute using Google Search, Wikipedia, Facebook, Youtube, Android, ChromeOS… Almost everything in modern world. I don’t have heard that almost everything that people use are not working.

      “Are you honestly saying you have never had a problem with a pc? If you say yes then you are talking crap.”

      It depends what is counted to problem. I’ve seen people to mess their computer, I’ve seen people to have computer virus, I’ve seen faulty hardware, bugs in software, I’ve read documentation and manuals to know how to use tech. But I never had situation that I cannot solve myself. I never had to ask anything. I have asked things from colleagues if I’m hurry and no time to read manual but I neved had major show stopper with computers.

      I think these helps 99% cases:
      1. Turn it off and on again -> test
      2. Reset to factory defaults -> test
      3. Install all updates -> test

      And if there is still issue:
      1. Locate it. Hardware, software, or compatibility between two components
      2. Document it how to reproduce problem so anyone can reproduce it and confirm that
      3. Find out what standards we are using here or who is promised and what

      Complaints and bug reports are then very straightforward to do.

      My current “problems” with computers are that I have to restart my router couple of times a year. Connection works but I can’t login. I don’t bother to investigate that how to reproduce problem, I probably get update to fix it or I already have that fixed.

    • BS detection service

      I know there is something wrong in your hardware when you told that it takes 25 seconds to start. Looks like sleep mode isn’t working. One second is typical and cold boot takes something like 10 seconds from SSD.

      It is known that Windows is slower and 25 seconds is acceptable to Windows cold boots.

      And why there is freeze? What is freezed? Can you name that process? If whole system is freezed then the issue is in driver or hardware level. So your hardware is broken or it is incompatible.

      In theory it is possible that freeze issue is in kernel but then you should be able to reproduce that in fully compatible hardware. If everything works on my hardware but not yours, then your hardware is incompatible.

  66. apple

    BS detection service

    So you say Linux Mint Cinnamon is nothing to do with Linux. Who is then Microsoft or Apple?

    Linux Mint is installed on an external hard drive. Nothing to do with any pc.

    I do not have the problem to use money if I have a purchased Windows 7 pc, a purchased Windows 10 pc, and a

    refurbished pc, which I also paid for, none of these pcs were handed to me free.

    As far as Zorin goes, like you are making out, what has it got to do with Ubuntu? If Zorin and Linux Mint are nothing

    to do with Linux or Ubuntu why are you even mentioning them? Quick you had better get back on the net and check.

    • BS detection service

      “So you say Linux Mint Cinnamon is nothing to do with Linux. Who is then Microsoft or Apple?”

      Linux is developed multiple companies including Microsoft. Linux is independent component and software engineers can pick it to use in their products.

      “Linux Mint is installed on an external hard drive. Nothing to do with any pc.”

      It is your responsibility take care that PC where you connect it, is compatibile. If it freezes, it is your fault, because no one promise that works.

      “I do not have the problem to use money if I have a purchased Windows 7 pc, a purchased Windows 10 pc, and a refurbished pc, which I also paid for, none of these pcs were handed to me free.”

      Why you don’t buy PC with that Zorin OS if you want that? Then you can complaint to computer seller if it doesn’t work. If you do it yourself and fail, it is your fault because no one promise that your PC is compatible.

      ” If Zorin and Linux Mint are nothing to do with Linux or Ubuntu why are you even mentioning them?”

      You started to blame Linux unjustifiably and asked this:

      “One more thing I forgot to mention. The updates for Zorin os come from Ubuntu Servers, but this has nothing to do with Linux?”

      Linux developers, Zorin OS developers, Microsoft, Apple and Canonical are different organizations.

  67. apple

    BS detection service

    I have not used the Asus pc once for anything else but Windows. The refurbished pc is an old HP6005 Compaq. It has 4 quads and 8 gbs of memory installed. I have had update failures with Zorin os and Linux Mint Cinnamon. I only mentioned the Asus pc as you were assuming I had a piece of shit when it is anything but, and like I said I have never
    used it for Ubuntu or anything else but WINDOWS if you can get that through your head. I only purchased the refurbished pc as a test pc.I think you may be a bit of a moron who thinks he knows everything. Goodbye.

    • BS detection service

      HP6005 is not here https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/

      And Zorin OS and Mint Cinnamon are some hobbyist crap and not “real” operating system, they don’t have enough manpower to set up decent support organization to maintain and test packages. They are just downloading packages from Ubuntu and messing things up.

      So like I say, nothing to do with Linux. It is only your fault that there is some problem to use money to buy computer with preinstalled/certified to Ubuntu LTS or ChromeOS or Windows or Mac.

  68. apple

    BS detection service

    One more thing I forgot to mention. The updates for Zorin os come from Ubuntu Servers, but this has nothing to do with


    • BS detection service

      “One more thing I forgot to mention. The updates for Zorin os come from Ubuntu Servers, but this has nothing to do with Linux?”

      Definitely not. Ubuntu is not Linux. Zorin OS is not Linux. Linux is only kernel component and Linux developers are not interested to that when Canonical develop Ubuntu OS that uses Linux as component.Then there are some hobbyist who are messing things up by making Zorin OS and all issues there are not issues in Ubuntu. Canonical quality assurance are not testing Zorin OS and they don’t care.

      It doesn’t matter either if updates are coming from some Ubuntu repository, Zorin OS may pick up unfinished packages and even if they pick up LTS branch packages, it doesn’t matter because these are fully tested when everything below some package software stack is intact. When Zorin OS changeing something below that package, it is not same anymore.

      Ubuntu package probably works when it is run in Ubuntu.

      So, Zorin OS is responsible all issues related to Zorin OS. Not related to Linux or Ubuntu. As you see, if they don’t have enough manpower to maintain packages themselves and download them from Ubuntu, they really don’t have decent support organization. It may be some one person bedroom project and not a “real” operating system what people are using in work and home.

  69. apple

    BS detection service

    My Asus pc is my main computer that is not used for anything else but Windows. The spare refurbished pc is the one I use to try things out on.

    You say all of my problems are caused by me.
    Okay if you go into Software Manager to install lets say ClamTk do you press on the install button? That is exactly what
    I did, it goes to a quarter of the way installing, and goes no further. Now I do not think I have made a mistake by pressing
    the install button, that is what it is there for. Or was I meant to wave a magic wand across the screen or something?

    Okay Linux does not check for updates, but it is within a Linux os that I have tried to do it? Now what did I do wrong there, look at the screen?

    When a pc freezes when you are doing absolutely nothing with it, does that mean you should not power the thing up in
    the first place?

    Asus has been around for many years, so I do not get how you find it mysterious. Any computer can start up in 1 second

    from sleep. Any way lets forget this crap now. We will just keep nit picking, and I could not be bothered anymore.

    • BS detection service

      “The spare refurbished pc is the one I use to try things out on.”

      Did you run full hardware diagnostics to be sure it actually works? Full disk surface test, memtest etc. ?

      Is the spare refurbished pc sane? Enough cores and gigabytes?

      Are you sure it is compatible? There are standards and there are also non standard hardware interfaces. If operating system is not compatible, it is operating system fault only if they promised that it is compatible.

      “Okay if you go into Software Manager to install lets say ClamTk do you press on the install button?”

      What operating system are you using?

      “Okay Linux does not check for updates, but it is within a Linux os that I have tried to do it? Now what did I do wrong there, look at the screen?”

      I don’t know yet what operating system brand and version your are using. There are many software available to install, update and remove software packages and every operating system vendor choose what they use.

      “Asus has been around for many years, so I do not get how you find it mysterious.”

      It is at least mysterious to use in Ubuntu. Who promises compatibility? Asus, your operating system or you?

      You talked about Ubuntu and Canonical does not promises anything how it works on Asus computers, so is Asus promising compatibility or is it your fault if it doesn’t work?

  70. apple

    BS detection service

    Of course it could not be Linux in your perfect Linux mind. As for my pc it is a very good ASUS pc, so you should not
    make comments about peoples pc’s being recycled, you are nothing but a big baby that proves the point you cannot
    handle many negative comments about Linux. If you said you hated Windows, I personally could not care less. Everyone
    is entitled to their own opinions, their own likes or dislikes. Maybe you came from a recycling centre. Unless you cannot
    read it was obvious I was talking about Linux with failing to check for updates, freezing and software packages not installing.You must have made up the bit about 1 second is normal for startup, as I have never heard anyone make any
    comment like that about any os. In other words you are saying Ubuntu is not a free download, Zorin is not a free download, Deepin is not a free download., Xubuntu is not a free download, just to name a few. If they are not operating
    systems, what do you call them?

    • BS detection service

      Billions of people use Linux every day without any kind of technical issues caused by Linux. Then you say that you have issues.

      Based on observations, problems are caused by you because you are the common factor in these problems. If you claim something negative, you must be able to prove it.

      “I was talking about Linux with failing to check for updates”

      Linux doesn’t check updates. There is no such a feature in Linux. Some operating system or application can check updates but Linux never do that.


      It is technically possible, but there are many variables. Usually caused by broken hardware, incompatiblity or some other component in system. Linux does not make promises how and where it work. Linux developers just give source and someone else can build it and made it work in their product. Usually quality assurance responsibility belongs to device manufacturer or operating system vendor.

      “and software packages not installing.”

      Linux does not install software packages. There is no such a feature in Linux. Usually operating systems install software packages or there may be software package installers in development tools ecosystems or application servers to deploy software.

      “You must have made up the bit about 1 second is normal for startup, as I have never heard anyone make any
      comment like that about any os.”

      No I don’t made up anything. Modern operating systems can set computer to “sleep” so they keep their memory I press power button or close laptop. Then they wake up in second to login screen and there is no delays.

      Usually once a month there is need to install updates and then cold boot is required. That can take more time. 10 second is normal in Ubuntu, Mac OS, Android, ChromeOS, iOS etc. but in Windows this may take much more time while Windows do work in to install updates. Windows 10 with mechanical hard drive is worst, it can take hour when it install major update (twice a year). Usually best to click “restart Windows” when stop using computer and leave it on to install updates and do automatic maintenance. Then next morning it wakes from sleep in second.

      “In other words you are saying Ubuntu is not a free download, Zorin is not a free download, Deepin is not a free download., Xubuntu is not a free download, just to name a few. If they are not operating
      systems, what do you call them?”

      Zorin an Deepin are some rolling release crap and looks like they are made by some hobbyist or startup company without money. They may be used to demonstrate something to investors to put money in there. Probably no one using them and I cannot care less about them.

      Xubuntu is some hobbyist system, they actually pick up Ubuntu and do some tweaking to get it run Xfce desktop. It is not however official Ubuntu LTS what is fully supported by Canonical. Mint is same class as Xubuntu. I cannot care less about them neither, I use only production quality systems with adequately good support organization.

      In hobbyist systems there is kind of truth that the users are usually their developers. There really are no phone number to call if you have issue. It is expected that if you have issue, you fix it. This is not caused by Linux, it is your own choise to use some hobbyist system.

      Ubuntu LTS is free to download, good quality operating system with support organization. This is one of the few free operating systems available to end users that are fully suitable to production use.

      But you are talking about some mysterious Asus computer.. Here is software vendor list of certified hardware: https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/

      No Asus there, this means that if you are using non standard hardware, compatibility is your responsibility and not related to Linux or Ubuntu.

  71. apple

    BS detection service

    I know I said it was crap because it is true. The different Linux distros I tried over the years, and not for very long
    apart from Linux Mint Cinnamon were all the same.

    Desktop freezing to the point where nothing worked

    Software packages install if you are lucky

    Continual failed to check for updates

    People saying how fast it is. My Windows 7 pc starts up in 25 seconds, and shuts down in 15

    The same with the Windows 10 pc

    The Linux distros I tried did not start up near as fast

    I guess that it why they are free. Who would want to pay for it.

    This is my last rant. I will stay mainly with Microsoft, and Linux Mint Cinnamon. If my Windows machines were freezing

    up, and doing the things I listed, I would say the same, and call them crap.

    • BS detection service

      This means that you have tried only some crap operating systems or doing something everytime wrong. It is not related to Linux.

      Read very carefully: One single component in operating system does not substantially affect how good it is or how it work. It does not matter is it using Linux or not. Every case the problem is in some crappy operating system, you, your crappy hardware but you don’t have any proves that this has nothing to do with Linux.

      “Desktop freezing to the point where nothing worked”

      This sounds like found your computer from recycling center. If you expect that there is bug in software, you should be able to tell how I can repeat the issue.

      “Software packages install if you are lucky”

      Where? In ZorinOS or Windows? What package? How can I repeat this issue so it is possible to confirm that issue exist and is not related only to your imagination, your faulty hardware or something else.

      “Continual failed to check for updates”

      Oh, you are talking about Windows.

      “People saying how fast it is. My Windows 7 pc starts up in 25 seconds, and shuts down in 15”

      That is slow. 1 second is normal.

      “The Linux distros I tried did not start up near as fast”

      And the reason is probably in you or your hardware. You just told that your computer takes 25 seconds to start and that is very slow.

      “I guess that it why they are free. Who would want to pay for it.”

      What are? Can you spell some operating system brands and versions?

      I really like to know versions. It is very suscpicious if you have not used money. It is very common that you can get free some beta versions, insider versions, developer releases or similar unfinished crap. There are not many free operating systems that use Linux, installation doesn’t require software engineer, made to production use, have good support organization and not some hobbyists like in Mint.

      Usually you pay when you get some preinstalled computer or get subscription from software vendor.

  72. romulopbene

    You’re free to torture yourself but in a healthier sense maybe your expectations suck, make them more real! A lot of what you search is somewhere else, not in Linux! 😉

    This is why I have a pass-through GPU VM. But I disagree in one point, how did you managed to get a slower Fedora than Windows 10?! 🙂

  73. apple

    BS detection centre

    I am not an experienced person with Linux, have mainly used Windows for years. I realize now that Zorin is unstable
    from the lesson I have just learned, but that still does not give you the right to call people stupid. Haven’t you ever
    made a mistake with a pc just doing what everyone mainly does, which is security updates. I have seen many people
    on Windows and Linux forums who have made mistakes, but they are not being called stupid for it.

    • BS detection service

      That is ok and normal if people made mistakes. There is nothing wrong.

      Problem is that you wrote this:

      “It is a piece of crap. I have tried different Linux distros over the years but nothing compares to Windows.”

      “At least in Windows command prompt the commands do work. I also like the ease of installing whatever program I like into Windows, which cannot be done with crappy Linux.”

      You are blameing that your own faults are caused by Linux, or Zorin OS unstable behaviour is related to Linux, or Zorin OS is related to other operating systems, or generalize operating systems that use Linux to be similar.

      If you made some mistake, that does not give you the right blame Linux.

      If I made a mistake, I always blame myself.

  74. apple

    BS detection service

    Actually Mr perfect my hardware had been working with Zorin os, as I said it happened after the updates. Actually the

    amd processor I have is compatible with Zorin os, and you are not that clever if you do not think software can have a

    problem. To say I got what I wanted by having to wipe a harddrive and starting over again, you are out there with the


    • BS detection service

      Of course it happended after updates because Zorin OS is UNSTABLE. It is different beast after updates and not the same when you installed it.

      This is just like Windows 10. New update can change compatibility, like break legacy software or hardware compatibility, and this happens two times per year. Fortunately applications usually works now from browser (web standard) or downloaded from Windows store, and they are kept compatible by software vendors.

      Monthly or yearly subscription is the guarantee that application is kept compatibile if it installed outside of Windows store. And if hardware compatibility is lost, then you can buy new cheap laptop from Wallmart. It is expected to be compatible at least the warranty period or what consumer protection laws, sales law etc. regulate.

      The same applies to Zorin OS. Seller is responsible ZorinOS computer and you can complaint if the computer you bought doesn’t work. But if you install ZorinOS yourself and nobody promises anything, yoy’re on your own. You can always buy new compatible computer.

      For this reason, I prefer stable operating systems like CentOS, Debian, Red Hat Enterprise, Solaris, Suse Desktop Enterprise, Ubuntu LTS… And avoid Zorin OS, Windows 10 and similar unstable ones.

  75. apple

    BS detection service, One more comment, I do not regard myself as another extremely stupid user when Zorin os is bragged about being compared to Windows 7, and as I had the spare refurbished pc, I wanted to give it a go. As I mentioned before I have Linux Mint Cinnamon installed on an external harddrive, and have had no problems, so I am
    not anti-Linux, just anti-Zorin and do not appreciate smart arse remarks by someone calling me stupid who does not even know me, and while you are calling me stupid, why don’t you learn how to spell.

    • BS detection service

      “I do not regard myself as another extremely stupid user when Zorin os is bragged about being compared to Windows 7, and as I had the spare refurbished pc, I wanted to give it a go. ”

      Zorin OS is unstable by design, and you choose Zorin OS. So it is unstable, as is to be expected.

      You can only blame yourself when you got what you wanted. You cannot compare Zorin OS to Windows 7 because Windows 7 is stable by design. It is expected to be stable.

      And one more thing: It was you who installed it, and you also chose hardware.

      You can blame the hardware compatibility issues it who has promised compatibility. Whether it was in this case ZorinOS or your hardware manufacturer.

      If neither promised anything, you can not blame neither.

      My point is, if there is issues somewhere, you can blame only who is responsible.

      Almost all cases, it is rarely software issue. It is very often user error.

      I have not really ever seen a situation where Linux would have been a problem. This is the major prolem in this article: blaming something unjustifiably.

  76. 3D artist

    Author must live a very boring life and a heavy complexes would not let him see the reality.

    I’m 3D artist, freelancer. I have several professional adds in my portfolio and tens of satisfied clients from around the world. I work many years on Windows until I tried Linux – the best idea in my career. Linux is faster, more stable, easy to learn (if you are not lama) and it’s free. After more than 2 years on Linux I’m 100% sure I never back to malware called Windows. I was stupid that I payed for Winsh*t.

  77. apple

    BS detection service

    I think I stated quite clearly what os I was talking about. Zorin os 12 did work until it updated, so I do not believe that I am
    to blame because of the updates it throws out. I update my Windows 7 pc and am having no troubles. I also have a Windows 10 pc, and have no problems there either.

    • BS detection service

      Rolling releases by default changes compatibility and behaviour in updates. Not sure how it works on Zorin OS but Windows 10 have two big updates per year what makes changes.

      I expect that Microsoft have more resources to testing and Microsoft keep their API versions compatible at least 10 years per version. But when they make changes, that breaks like in Zorin OS.

      Windows 10 and Zorin OS behaviour have nothing to do with stable operating systems.

  78. Phill M

    I’m a user of all three systems. What you put in is what you get out when it comes to Linux. It takes work, patience, a few creative curse words.

    I enjoy Linux, and until I fried my CPU used it as my primary desktop (the frying was my fault, not a system fault). I did everything I wanted–some gaming, some video editing, some photo editing. Also run a HP Powerbook with linux as my “travel to places I don’t want to bring my $2500 MacBook pro”–which gives me 45 minutes more battery time over the original Windows 7 system (which, being an old battery that only got 1.5hours on Windows, is a really huge improvement!).

    But, alas… Linux doesn’t do everything, and many of the things it does, it doesn’t do better than what is available on the other systems. Many of the open source programs available on Linux are also available on one or both of the other two systems (Mac and Windows), and none of them compare to the professional paid-for programs.

    And, as said: what you put into it is what you get out of it. While there are many Linux distros that have most features you need ready to run out of the box, when there is an issue it can be aggravating to figure out, and while the forums do offer much help, sometimes navigating them to find the answer or wait for a reply (which sadly sometimes is “that question was asked and answered”).

    Linux is not for everyone. While I use it and enjoy using it, its not something I would recommend to just anyone. It’s worth tinkering with–but for only a very few people would it work as their primary system.

    Try it, have fun with it, explore it, and if it doesn’t suit your fancy, use what works for you.

  79. Si Hammer

    Cheers, John, I just got a new laptop + unbeknown to me prior to trying to use the thing, Ubuntu 16.04 is the OS + I can’t claim to have taken to it like a duck to water, unless the duck happened to be wearing lead clogs!? I’m one of those unskilled, basic user types, with an unhealthy interest in Microsoft, at least I think your friend would see it that way, if he was feeling particularly light-hearted at the time, of course. I sensed that you + he differed in opinion on certain matters? I only skimmed over it briefly but I must ask, are you really all those things? I don’t know how you find the time? I felt that you knew what you were on about, said it like it is + helped me understand what I’m dealing with which is something I’d be better off replacing with Windows 7, an OS I’m able to return to the desktop quicker than the 1+ hour it took me with Ubuntu. There’s the Microsoft thing, too, the philia your charming friend brought to my attention with such silver tongued eloquence. I’ve decided to overlook the fact you seemingly know less than I do + should you decide to follow the given career advice I’m sure you’ll flip burgers to the very best of your ability, although taking advice from a clearly unstable, irrational narcissist would be far from prudent, despite my pitiful knowledge of things computer I say that without fear of contradiction. Anyway, good luck with whatever path you choose to follow + I thank you for supplying the information that you did, clearly + with what I thought was integrity + impartiality, admittedly though, through unwashed + uninitiated eyes. Something, I can think of at least one person, who would say that’s why it counts for nothing. I’ll just have to try + carry on dealing with that……..,,,
    Good luck to you,

    Si Hammer

  80. Carl

    Linux is a community of do it yourselves kind of people! and so if you run into a problem you can likely look on a forum… it’s for people who like to tinker I suppose…. mad scientist kind of computing :o) Windows 7 is more straightforward and provides apps people will have to pay to use… that yes are better.. but then again microsoft always snoops on what you’re up to with those “windows updates”. If you like knowing that the ideology of linux is freedom of information… you can also expect a product that isnt’ going to spy on what you have installed on your system.

  81. apple

    Another thing I find funny is Linux users will continually put down Windows, but say one word about Linux, and you will
    be abused. These people cannot take any negative comments about Linux, only about Windows.

    • BS detection service

      There is big difference is the comment negative based on something or is it some imaginary bullshit.

      ALWAYS if someone has to say something negative from anything, there is checklist:

      1. What is the exact product or service you are talking about and what version? Linux is known as market leader kernel, so what is wrong in that?
      2. If there is issue, how I can reproduce it? It is must have way to reproduce issue. That reveals where the issue is. Usually it is user regardless what company software we are using.

    • BS detection service

      3. If can repeat the issue and you want to blame something, then it is its fault who is promised something to work. Example in compatibility issues, see what are the standards there and if there is no standard, who is specified interface and who is promising that some tech is compatible with that.

      If no one promises anything, it is user/IT-specialist responsibility then.

    • Bafpunt Strose

      Ironic seeing how many of them spend their time holed up in their basement trying to become the next bill gates.

  82. apple

    I have used Windows 7 from the beginning and never had any trouble with it, still love it. I have Linux Mint Cinnamon on
    a external harddrive. It is pretty good. Recently I installed Zorin os 12 on a spare refurbished pc I have, worked fine on the first few startups, and then absolutely shit itself after updating. All I had on startup were different kernel numbers all
    over the screen, so wiped the hard drive, and reinstalled Windows 7 Pro on that machine. I would rather pay Microsoft
    for operating systems. Windows 7 has always been stable. Zorin os 12 continually experiences internal or fatal errors.
    It is a piece of crap. I have tried different Linux distros over the years but nothing compares to Windows. Another thing
    if you have a problem, okay you go to a forum with every man and his dog telling you to run this command in terminal,
    and then this command, and so on, and none of these commands work. At least in Windows command prompt the
    commands do work. I also like the ease of installing whatever program I like into Windows, which cannot be done with
    crappy Linux.

    • BS detection service

      Why a hell you expect to get stable operating system if you in purpose install rolling release like Zorin? Idea of rolling release is that it is NOT stable. So you are just another extremely stupid user.

      Another thing is that you cannot relate ZorinOS to other operating systems that are using Linux. Linux does not mean that operating system is rollig release.

      So if you are talking about some other crappy operating systems, based on observation you are talking about Windows. That is the other operating system mentioned in your post and Windows 10 is is rolling release.

    • Phill M

      Yeah. Had that same issue with Zorin OS9. I had an internet interruption on update, and basically had to completely reinstall everything. On the plus, I had a similar problem on Windows 7. Both cases much of the important data was recoverable. I tried Zorin 12, but didn’t like it compared to their OS 9 and stuck with 9 (but hey, I also stuck with Windows 7 because I don’t like 8 or 10, and I still have a system that runs Windows XP).

      The forums can be a pain to navigate, because everyone directs you to a previous post on the problem you are asking about saying the answer is there, and there you find 20 different answers to a problem vaguely similar to yours, but none of those solutions work for your problem.

      As for installing programs–most Linux versions have an App Store like system for searching and downloading programs: these existed well before Apple or Windows had their app stores for direct downloading of programs. Personally, I never had a problem installing any program on Linux, or deleting them. Granted, those programs had to exist in their app store, as installing off direct media (DVD, USB) isn’t all that easy compared to Mac or Windows. In deleting them from Linux, never had to hunt for the hidden files that never get deleted with Windows and Mac.

      In the end, as someone who constantly uses all three systems: much of what you get out of linux depends on how much you want to commit to learning it–and in learning it, you will learn it doesn’t do much different than what you can do on other systems.

      And, I enjoy using Linux… but save for a few geekish people, I wouldn’t recommend it.

  83. Harti

    I am an absolute noob at linux. But I use Mint Cinnamon because Windows 10 is just no option for me and Mint is easy enough to handle – if everything runs out of the box. I am not a coder, never will be. So the terminal is my natural enemy. I once tried to compile a driver for a Wlan stick and gave up after 3 hours of frustration.
    I dual boot with windows 7 (which is a decent OS in my opinion). This way I can handle all the tasks I need to. But I look forward in horror to the day Win 7 is not supported anymore. I guess then I will have to switch to darn Win 10…

  84. SurenaIVY

    Just a small thing; XFCE was here since 1996 for Unix and Unix-like OSs while you mentioned in your article “a short while ago there was only KDE and GNOME”. Expect for that; most of your points are correct; more or less.

  85. ajskdlf

    Comon guys be honest windows is so much better. I know you are using windows right now <3

  86. Weirdo23

    “With their money and will, Microsoft had about 1000 highly skilled developers working full-time on Windows 7. These developers worked as a cohesive, managed unit all working towards the same goal, and produced a great product in a short period.” -Absolute bullshit! Windows 7 was Windows 6.1 with Vista being 6.0. The Windows 7 development time was Windows Vista + Windows 7 (as Vista was a Beta, basically). That means May 2001 until October 22, 2009. Yeah, 8.5 years is “a short period”… Thanks for the good article, but really, compare like with like, or, rather: get facts right so non-lazy people can compare in detail. How long has Ubuntu taken to get from 4.x to 10.x? Ah right, a similar time to the above… SIX VERSIONS. Quality? Most poor, a lot of the time. But 10.x was nice – had Ubuntu Server very reliable – apart from zero sleep mode possible due to a nasty Intel chipset driver bug that the jokers at Intel randomly fixed in 2013 or something silly when hardware was WAY obsolete that even my broke ass wasn’t using it any more! Weird, the world of Linux…

    • BS detection service

      And Window Vista was based on Windows XP. There was three year delay while Microsoft development process was fucked up and they had to do it again after three year development.

    • BS detection service

      Ubuntu 6.06 LTS was the first one, and it is not suitable for laptops. It was only for desktops and servers. Also it was not “multimedia ready”.

      It was success on servers but obvious reasons it was just a starting point and for front end use, it was mainly new free OS to market to get basic things work on desktop machine like browser, office, development tools, email, chat. It worked, but use cases were limited and used mostly by developers.

      Ubuntu 8.04 LTS was suitable for laptops too, and there were out-of-the-box experience in Adobe Flash, GPU acceleration and similar things. What was still lacking was hardware certification process and that caused that it was always IT-department task to get it working or if consumer want to buy it, IT-company customized it or some neighbor nerd installed it.

      It was good release and Ubuntu get stronghold in industrial and emerging IoT market. This was time when Ubuntu based desktops got in use to companies.

      Ubuntu 10.04 LTS got hardware certification process, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS got Unity, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS focused mainly on servers, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS revealed that they were too late on schedule in desktop development so it is time to refocus targets to Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

      ..and if you see all LTS releases and changes what they have made, there was clear path where it was going.

  87. W. Oertl

    Well, use what you like. I’m quite content with the overall experience of Linux, which I’ve been using since about 1993. A vanilla install of Debian testing with Gnome as GUI is easy to use, stable, elegant, works on most hardware there is. YMMV.

    My company recently cheaply sold off old computers (about 6-7 years old), actually decent hardware, but without OS. After setting one up as described above, it runs like a charm for my non-tech parents in law.

    For my new desktop computer I sourced the most recent, finest hardware (CPU, SSD, MoBo etc.) and built me a nice box. Everything works. My 10 year old previous box with old stuff in it still works, too. No EOL issues.

    For me, it’s the openness, flexibility, the wide range of options, development tools, the ease of contributing to software that I use, that keeps me using Linux. At work, it’s Windows of course, so I didn’t lose touch and still know what the “other side” looks like.


  88. Bulldozer

    The main problems are 3 and 7. It always misses one or two programs you can’t live without (No ! Not Darkroom nor any other motherfucking photo editing program is even close to be as good as Lightroom, LibreOffice looks like kids’ scribbling next to Caravaggio compared to the Office suite, etc.).

    And it changes all the time, rarely for the best. I never use Linux constantly, even less now that Windows is much better than it used to be, but when I come back to it, the distribution I was using before always became crap. 10 years ago Ubuntu was great, then they changed it to Unity and it sucked, 5 years ago Mint was great, now nothing works properly, it can cause serious damages to a computer, it’s as heavy as Windows on the computer resources ; it sucks. Today Manjaro seems to work fine and clean, let’s see in 5 five years.

  89. Jack Lindon

    1. its not complicated, you are use to windows, this is not windows and does not try to be. driving on the left side of the road would take some getting use to as well.
    2.you are not alone, a shit ton of people use linux. most geeks do.
    3.yes some distros do change a fair bit.
    4. there is a version for everybody. there is no “best” linux. its what one works for you, i think its great there are so many. its an open source OS, anyone can make changes to it, or even make a whole new one.
    5.these problems are easy to overcome, google it.
    6. you’re on crack. linux runs 10x faster than most OS’s. the worlds fastest super computers use linux.
    7. some programs suck yeah. there sure is a lot of them though. this day in age most companies have made a linux version of their programs.
    8. gaming has gotten better. steam is a peace of cake now
    9. i find linux mint to be really bad for this.
    10. yeah you got it
    11. i find most communities to be very helpful. linux mint actually has a very good support channel in Hexchat (which comes installed on your pc). any problem ive ever had starting out they answered right away and were very helpful

  90. Bubba Smith

    I have Windows, Linux and latest android on mobile tablet. By now – Linux caused me the most headache with compatibility, bad software UI’s (I don’t have time to learn functions all over again!). Will be throwing Linux away, no time to play a hero…

  91. RONNIE


  92. Len Souliere

    More rants than sense
    I use a computer as a tool
    It does more than most tools, but it is still just a tool – a means to an end
    I understand that, just like a hammer, I can do some things intuitively and other tasks may require some learning…
    regardless of the task, if I can’t even get started doing it I’m either using the wrong tool or using the tool requires more extensive knowledge than I have at hand.
    This is kind of the natural order of things.
    If I have to get a masters degree to use a new hammer, I’ll probably keep using the old hammer.
    IIf getting that masters enables me to do something unique and vital, if may be worthwhile in the end.
    Getting a degree of any sort in order to print a document just ain’t gonna happen.
    While all the linux brats are busy pointing out how superior linux is, I’ll have to stick with something that works, even if it doesn’t work as well at all the tasks I need it for.
    Right now, I can load a flavor of linux and very quickly do some stuff, while other basic processes wont budge, or I can use an admittedly slow and limited system to do nearly everything I need (admittedly my needs are rather basic).

    The crowning achievement in my limited experience is CUPS, which I understand (perhaps incorrectly) to be a
    presumably created by someone who had connections with Canon
    So, when I can’t get it to handle a fairly recent model of Canon printer, I have to assume they really don’t care.
    I understand that I bought a cheap printer but, cost aside, it has done what I wanted it to do.
    Now I need to print something and the decision becomes a choice between buying a new printer (and BELIEVE ME when I say it’ll be another cheap printer) that may or may not outlive the next kernel upgrade or replacing the problem computer with something that will do what I need for a couple years at least. Hmm… what would be the wise move?
    As a linux devotee, I should go through twelve years of additional schooling (at a top tech school that’s about a half million bucks) or spend a couple hundred on a Win10 machine now and wonder if I’ll get the fifteen or so years out of it that I got from the last unit.

    • Kerri

      It’s Common Unix Printing System. At least have your info right before bashing people.

  93. Pasquale Barbaro


    I agree with you on almost all you said. I do love Linux too but many times it get complicated for a not so expert user like me. I love it because it allowed me to run modern software on unsupported platforms as my PowerPC Mac and my free scale processor equipped eBook-reader

  94. st. iGNUcious

    The only thing common to all your “reasons” is the complete lack of rationality, understanding and insight. They read like a 5 year old’s arguments when she is not allowed on a ride because she is not tall enough. You clearly do not have a very good handle of the Linux kernel, the GPL/Free Software philosophy, or the GNU/Linux OS, and you hide your childish need for convenience over computational prowess by making absurd claims about GNU/Linux. For instance, “It is slow”! I literally fell off my chair laughing at this. Here’s the boot speeds for Windows 10 and GNU/Linux Mint 18.1 off of my 7500 RPM HDD (yeah, that’s right, HDD not SSD) running in my Alienware 17 r3 (with secure boot and fast startup turned off):

    Crapdows 10 = 145 – 150 seconds till programs become usable on the desktop.
    GNU/Linux Mint 18.1 = 15-20 seconds till programs are launch-able and usable on desktop (cinnamon).

    Your opinion is little more than nagging. An yes, I am being condescending. That’s all you crapdows and crapbook users deserve. GNU for life. RMS for life. Free Software for life.

    • Pasquale Barbaro

      And Grove Street for life LOL
      His reasons seem good. Maybe you have to read them again. Linux Mint is one of the lightest Linux distros, so it’s normal it is so fast. He said that too. And another thing, his reasons could be valid or not, but that just doesn’t allow you to insult him.

    • Longtime Linux User

      I’ve used Ubuntu and Mint for at least ten years exclusively, until a few months ago. I need some engineering software that is not available on Linux. I installed Windows to a dual boot. I’ve disliked Windows for a long, long time. When I stopped using it back in the stone age, Linux blew Windows’ doors off. I couldn’t believe how much faster Linux was. Well, things have changed. Now, Windows seems to be just as fast (at least on my machine). I’ve been having issues with Linux ever since the last install (very slow, multiple crash reports, ect). Windows, although still annoying at times, has been very stable. Bottom line is, yeah, I’m still using Linux most of the time because I still dislike Windows and the Microsoft mob mentality. BUT, you Linux fanatics need to get off your high horse. If you don’t, there isn’t going to be a Linux that is viable as an alternative in ten years. Microsoft marches on. All you Linux snobs do is sit and gloat and act like you are god’s gift to the computer world and tell everyone how stupid they are. That is not helpful for anyone, including yourselves. And it sure as hell isn’t going to keep you current.

    • Tom

      @st. iGNUcious … please grow a pair. This article is well-written with valid points from start to finish. putting ‘GNU’ in your username isn’t going to save you from YOUR lack of logic.


      St. IGNUcious == tribal retard.

      I have been using Xubuntu and Fedora for a while now. I use it cause there are a few developer tools I like on Linux. You know what though? Linux sucks serious ASS. Free Software OR open source does not equal quality software. Shit breaks all the fucking time with every distro update. Bug reports that are decades old and still have not been fixed. The ones that are fixed show up again in later distribution updates. Developers and maintainers of different projects blame each other all the time, and they never admit there’s a bug in their code because they think they’re geniuses and C programming gods.

      The kernel is solid, but hot damn….everything else is bad. It must have been a long time since you used Windows. It boots really fast now…but, I wouldn’t expect your brain-dead, tribal dumbass to admit it.


    • I_Love_Linux_It_Makes_Me_Think_Of_Good_Things

      Crapdows 10 = 145 – 150 seconds till programs become usable on the desktop.
      GNU/Linux Mint 18.1 = 15-20 seconds till programs are launch-able and usable on desktop (cinnamon).


      I agree with st. iGNOcious, I also like to know in the space of 15-20 seconds that the OS I am using will never be able to run any decent 3D, Video or Design package; or any game beyond minesweeper; or install most of the hardware PCWorld advertised 3 years ago; or get consistent “community” help when libbing this or that.

      I can totally empathise with iGNOcious. You see, once I built a monoplane inside my car garage but soon I realised that the plane was too big to get out of it in one piece and even if I could get it through the door, I had no way of getting it in a stretch that was long enough for take off and free of overhead power cables.

      Although I couldn’t fly it anywhere, I loved the feeling of controlling everything that went under that plane’s hood. Like a bitch.

    • ozmartian

      ok look. i am an Arch user of many years but I also am a realist… ppl running Win10 will almost always have secure boot enabled and thus fast boot which is impressively fast… now spare me the tech lecture about why that is, believe me i probably know more than you on the subject but my point here is your comparison does more harm than good because normal type users see these kinds of posts, see the numbers dont fit with reality and then what do they do? they dismiss everything our community’s have to say and we’ve lost yet another potential convert..

      i for one respect the shit out of this site and return to it regulary to check on updates 🙂 all that while using my home made arch linux w/ KDE machine that also boots Win10 and latest macOS (a.k.a. hackintosh) and you know what, Linux these day is probably slightly slower once you have a few beasty apps running at one time but hands down Linux is now (2017) the most unstable with kernel freezes / locks ups the occuring at least once a week.. sure this USED to be seen on Windows but not anymore.. no BSOD’s here in years unless faulty hardware was to blame…

      so lets just try and be more MATURE and REALISTIC… then the whole world won’t continue seeing us like the childish hypocrites that they correctly see us to be

      and guess what? besides my gripes i still love linux, still make it my primary OS of choice but damn do i swear my ass off at it and devs (i code some linux apps myself)

      one thing i find amusing is that i find those in the linux community with mature views as this webpage portrays justly are more prone to be people active in Linux like myself but usually even much more, they know heaps more shit than i do… what does that mean? it means ppl who UNDERSTAND what they are talking about with proper knowledge backing them up.. not stupid fanboy crap that holds about as much worth as the lyrics to Justin Bieber’s next chart topping single….

  95. Len Souliere

    Aah! The Blue Screen of Death…
    I ran my XP box for (easily) ten years and only had the BSoD bite me a few times.
    One of the things I looked forward to in trying linux was “stability” and the easing of challenges from hackers trying to upset systems at random.
    Lack of hacker targeting a plus – seems like it’s more the result of having such a splintered os base – they can only manage to take a swipe at a very small percentage at any given time (at least until they find a bullet that works deep in the kernel where it’ll take a long time to find and correct.
    No BSoD… but, hold on a sec…
    I get it running, and it SCREAMS on my rescued laptop, making me a pretty happy camper.
    Then, I find myself unable to print. Oh, well… I’ll figure that out eventually, right???
    So I resign myself to getting the work done and worrying about printouts later. Fire up the included spreadsheet and input a couple lines and WHAM! not the BSoD, which would perhaps give me a hint, but the damn thing reboots. After playing around and being VERY CAREFUL about what keys I’m pressing, I start searching and find it’s a known problem and I have to update the spreadsheet software, except the installation won’t let me update until I update a bunch of other stuff, which ends up causing other problems and ultimately crashes the system
    happily, no BSoD
    I should feel comforted?
    Mint has got me closer to actually doing useful stuff, but I do miss that speed from Puppy, and the use of my peripherals from XP.

  96. bionicjoe

    I agree with most of this, but I disagree on hardware.
    No Linux isn’t going to work with recent video drivers but if you need that performance it’s probably for gaming or video editing. Something Linux doesn’t offer (basically). So it’s a pointless debate.

    But Linux has become awesome for supporting old hardware. Right now I’m on a Dell laptop that came with a Bluetooth device that never worked. Dell finally released a statement that they were even giving up on making it work.

    Installed Linux and everything worked perfectly.

    I spent 10 minutes on getting this laptop working how I wanted.
    I spent hours & hours on Windows 8 and never liked it. And Windows 10 is just another layer of useless screens to click through to get to the same dialogs that have been around since XP or even 98.

  97. Supertorresmo

    The reason I don’t use Linux: I’m a Windows user who occasionally have to use Linux because I need a program or whatnot that only runs on Linux. First Barrier: Most programs for linux that goes beyond the basic are made by and for programmers. That is, you don’t get an easy installer, you have to fumble on make install and that crap. So ok, lets try it. ERROR. So, I don’t know what I did wrong. Let’s search on google how to do what I want. All I find are posts in forums of people asking about the exact same issue I have, and the only answers are ones telling the guy to read something somewhere else.

    If I had to read a documentation for each doubt I have on linux I would spend a month reading. With one month salary I can buy 5 or 6 copies of Windows. So in this point of view Linux is much more expensive.

  98. Nikola Radic

    Yeah it’s sad . Nowadays you almost 10/10 get better performance out of windows 10 than any distro , even lubuntu or something like that . Chrome works about 10 % better on windows (all other browsers are irrelevant). Drivers are super crappy , and as an amd customer , I get shit drivers even on windows . There is no reason to use linux other than that $0 pricetag .

    • BS detection service

      Windows 10 is a disto and its performance is not unusual. Shitty drivers are mainly issue of computer what you bought.

  99. Angger Bagus Pinasti

    Yea. 2 thumb for each reason…
    I’ll skip the discussion (/war). it’s just natural.

    I hope there will be light apps-thumbnail-preview like in win7(8,10) soon in xfce (I think they can do it with mutter) and docbarX dev can apply it in their apps. I feel compiz is heavy. I won’t spare 100-200mb just for that effect. And I’m tired of distro-hopping.

  100. Apolzan Marius

    hahaha,so many fights here for same all over,Windows shit and linux shit,first of all : Windows,wait,lot of money spent for it,is there any dam thing free ?,nope,all cost money and not even cheap,games free ? where ? oh yes,facebook,there u get some free games,but even those ask for money,got a windows problem ? dam,let’s call and find that support u payed lot of money for…after 1 hour spent at the phone with a guy that barely understand english,i managed to NOT fix windows and had to actually reinstall it,did that fixed it ? not really,now go poking around internet spending hours in google to find solutions,so ? that is fast ? all depends on your hardware,getting slow even on fast hardware ? oh yes,got that too,til the moment it got to a complet freeze,dam,more hours to spend on internet or phone with ppl that have actually no idea about windows at all,those are there just to make you quit calling,wht happen when u lost your internet driver ? no way to get it,wow,stuck with a windows pc with no internet ,now that is a real problem,maybe today u can use the phone and get it,but how much time u loose on that part ? how many Windows user met the famous BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH ? how many times ? i think i lost count,problem there,problem there,problem there…pfew,to many,ok,let’sreintall windows,to many problems and i got lost in all the dam fixing
    now for linux,install,load …WOW it works,problems ? so few that u can count them on fingers of 1 hand,fix them ? just get on internet in the forum of the linux u got installed and in maybe less than 24 hours u have an answer with the fix,wow,wait,the internet just worked,didn’t had to install anything for it,work on video edition,wow,free programs,don’t have to pay a dam thing and are very good programs too,games,lots of them,wow,free too,no payment at all ever,want to play games to pay for them,there is steam,i never used it,never will,pay for a game or program is not linux way,free OS,free programs,free games,that is linux way,problems with printing ? why didn’t u just kept the printer on and pluged in when u installed linux ? for sure it was working fine,the number of supported printers is growin and…wow,u don’t need a dam special driver to install,nor to go download from interennt in case u misplaced it or lost it,if u manage to get internet workin in windows,that linux is going slow ? how did this idiot even got to that stupid idea ? there is a linux for every kind of pc,even for those that can’t even run windows 95,i will give u a thing to think of,i have multiboot on my sistem,i mean windows 10 and other different linux distros installed on my pc,windows start in around 10 seconds,more or less,i mean run as it is all loaded up and i can use it without any other notification of things that loaded up,linux…3 seconds,what u know,it is faster,that u use some DE from all around,it’s up to each 1 of us,of what we like and be4 that of what we can have,less pc power,less eye candy,how to find out which ? simple,u do that exactly the same as lookin for what car u want,u see many and find out which u like,same with linux distros and their DE,that are just a few ppl using linux ? from where u got that stupid idea ? maybe u should look more in linux forums to see how many are there,if u make a total of all forums from all distros around,u can make an idea that linux users r much more than u could imagine
    now for the last thing : WINDOWS is DEAD,and will be baried soon,windows 10 was the last,there will be no other,suport ? yes,for a few years,after that….ooops,what else can i have ? oh wait,LINUX

    • ghost.dawg@live.com

      I tried to read that man. I really did…. but I felt myself getting dumber with each garbled malformed sentence.

  101. Kirby Johnson

    I just read some of the comments about you are not much of a programmer if you do not like linux. Well tell me linux boys, if any of you actually HAVE a car. Did you build it, or did you walk up, pay for it, get in and drive it home. SAME thing. When I see you on your bicycle with a basket of pistons you will see me writing a new GRUB.

  102. Kirby Johnson

    And another reason Linux SUCKS is these linux nerds appear to take glee in making something which the average human just can’t tolerate. The average desktop linux user is at home surfing the net or Ebay and does not need to type in a keyring and blood sample to fart.

    Having been around Unix before linux even existed, and watched linux grow, and disintegrate into a bazillion distros, and watched these little geek-o-nerds fight among themselves like a couple sorority chicks fighting over a hairbrush I am convinced they make it far more complicated than need be just to show all us dumbasses how smart they are. That is what modern linux looks and feels like.

    Linux has become completely useless. I have given linux a twirl several different times over a LOT of years and every time went back to commercial software because each and every time as I got going I kept running into “Are you kidding me?” situations with linux.. Case in point: exFAT.

    • ghost.dawg@live.com

      Not completely true. I’m an I.T. guy. Server jockey by trade. I manage Windows and Linux Servers. Redhat and CentOs are rock solid and barely require any care and feeding. My Windows servers require frequent reboots just to facilitate patching. I don’t even bother fucking around with desktop Linux. But on the server side Linux is the titz.

  103. Len Souliere

    I’d love to disagree, but it’s all true, sadly…
    My old XP desktop died and I’ve had to resurrect an older laptop to get any capability.
    Naturally, I decided to go linux because of the end-of-life programs in place from Microsoft.
    At firsst, great… Tried a distro that was BLAZINGLY fast.
    oops… the distro couldn’t read and format a USB stick (admittedly might be me, too far back on the learning curve)
    Forward to other flavors, including some admittedly exotic, like AROS, which went halfway only to die.
    Finally I found Mint, which lost me much of the speed, but seemed to work in a somewhat rational manner – I could look at drives and sticks and such.
    Then I made the mistake of trying to print something. I gave up on Lexmark years ago, because the cartridges dry out at the drop of a hat. HP worked reasonably well, but the stupid paper path thing kept me from printing envelopes. Next up was Canon, which I’ve used for the last few years – most of what I print is text and tables, so color isn’t a great deal; however, printing IS, and Canon has a Microsoft attitude towards Linux… I can either buy a new printer or not print, as far as they care. I even considered getting a newer model (my ip2600 is getting old, but still could do a lot of work, if only I could get linux to talk to it).
    The question becomes one of practicality. I don’t want to blindly buy a printer, only to find it isn’t easily supported. I looked at a Canon and an Epson. Both low end color inkjet types, with the ability to do wireless prints off my phone (a feature I couldn’t even understand the utility of until this mess).
    I can’t seem to find tax software that works (used TaxAct for as long as I can remember) in linux flavors, and don’t know enough to divine the rightness of any particular software regarding the OS versions.
    For now, I’m between spending the fiffty bucks on a printer that may or may not work, and spending a couple hundred on a cheap Windows 10 unit that’ll not run most of my old software anyway, but will probably work with the existing printer and most of the programs I use more heavily.
    Hisstorically, my position hasn’t much changed. I want to use a thing immediately, and if it’s well designed, it will perform reasonably without me returning to school for a doctorate. If it’s useful and not annoying, then I’ll start learning some of the fine points from dox and forums. Doesn’t seem to be the case in linux yet.

    • Neb Radojkovic (@boysha)

      Hi Len,
      Like everything in life – if you stick with it and put some effort it will pay off after some time. I decided that in 2005 and am using exclusively Linux Mint (Mate) for everything. I only have one Windows 7 computer for AutoCAD as that is what pays the bills and puts food on our table. I am in the process of ditching even that Windows because i found Bricscad that is very, very good and almost the same as AutoCAD in many ways maybe even better. I spend almost all day, every day in front of the computer and I am 59 years old. I have a Samsung ML-2851 and it works great on Linux Mint 18.1 Mate. It is a Laser Black&White printer – I don’t care about color. One cartridge will last over a year.
      So I would suggest that you stick to Linux because, in my opinion it is way better than Windows. It will give you much more flexibility and joy while at the same time you don’t have to worry about viruses and other malware. It is not true about “few users” – there are many users and many people that will help you if you are just polite. I will help you if you need help.
      Good luck!

      • hmm

        It’s not better than Windows in any way. Enjoy regressions every update, buggy reverse engineered drivers and barely any software 😉

      • Tom

        Ha, so the OP doesn’t game. He doesn’t like color. His face is white, and he wears a black shirt. Neb just doesn’t like stuff that works out of the box. He’s a tinkerer. If it ain’t broke, break it.

  104. michell

    what is right
    in my life
    but I most get drunk every night

    Its all the virtue or ability of the player Jhonny dont talk bullshit of linux and use it
    just dont
    We are not to blame of your handicap of linux men its all configuration on linux it all depends on how good programmer you are

    Linux is the future in robotics

    Iam Michell if any of you want a little bit cynic pen pal write to me at


  105. John Naw Naw

    Lol this guy a windows guy. I wish he could explain everyone about why windows has serious problem with missin *dll and why did windows copy the feature of linux in their newer version
    . Between I love to use any operating system but windows especially suck at security and you need to purchase this and that same goes for mac os. Which mac and windows os are good in business. Between instead of saying avoid and you say something like tutorial for linux. Why because windows and mac guys are just lazy faggots to use their brains.

  106. Lars

    Totally agree. The “community” never understood, that their beloved OS will never, ever ever, be used by the common man, because we have jobs to do, and we just want the tool to get it done, fast. And the load of shit they throw at users, whos does not think it is appropriate to know 650 shortcuts for VIM or Emacs, is unbelievable.
    If they all had worked hard at a common goal: To make Linux user friendly, it would probably be number one now. Instead the developed at pile og garbage, no one wants to use. What a waste of time.

    • hmm

      Because deep down they don’t want it to be user-friendly at all. They want their secret hacker club to be full of elitist dunces.

      • Tom

        I’ve always though this was their intention, and obviously I’m not alone in that thought. If you go in iRC and ask for help, the best you can expect is some vague response with instructions written in broken syntax (aka “don’t just copy and paste…investigate first”). the elitist attitudes in the linux community are what is bringing Linux to its knees. It’s so fragmented, not because a better way has been found to do things, but because developers are looking for strokes of their egos, a way for them to pad their resume with “I wrote this linux distro….” they DON’T WANT Linux to be easier to use.

  107. michael chalk

    Yep, well said. I also love Linux and yet i agree with everything you said here. Thanks. I enjoyed your nuanced commentary.

    (I use most of the operating systems in some way, and i love them all in some way – but i hate them all too. They all have something stupidly annoying.)

    (oh wait, Lightworks is not too bad.. i was using that to edit video on Windows and the Linux version is fine. Oh double wait, someone said that already 😉

  108. Discrepancy Productivity of Aware Computers

    Microsoft Windows works perfect and meaning that when a program is easily installed focus is straight to the productivity about the software then Windows is a Operating System;

    Linux is a software that has to be learned then to be able to perform the tasks of getting other programs to work and so focus on the productivity by including software development than to software development and more;

    then if is there still something to know, it is probably going about construct your own computer machine and its hardware logics, then to know what the focus is about;

    then it looks like presentation is a clone process of availability for system management and software;
    while individuals who where not about to care these situations goes building games, animations, applications, hacking, virus and whatever than to keep on building this tool by duplicating themselves and more places to cars and houses on a human world full of female girls to be insulted by what to do and…beer?

    wtf is this Linux or Windows, Mac? Had being making things perfect fine on ______ others just came to make me stop;

    • BS detection service

      Linux is a kernel and end users does not use it or learn. End users use operating systems like Ubuntu or Mac OS.

      • Kerri

        Dude, macOS doesn’t have the Linux kernel but is based on BSD. It’s a certified UNIX system. Totally different kernel.

  109. dems r. queers-ndikes

    one more thing – do computer people actually need anyone else? aren’t we really asocial?

    another thing – if you buy any MS product, you will pay through the nose for support by someone that is fckn clueless & can’t help you resolve anything. you are on your own. linux actually works, though. you don’t need any support for it, if you have a brain.

    • Mateusz Niedźwiecki


      Never had too many problems with windows, more actually with that I have broken something.
      And yes but not exacty, you are on your own because with ease you can find way to repair your problem in the net. I got brain and I want to consume its power on learning for example python, playing some game or watch movie to chill it out
      Ofc Linux is nice for pogramming, but I couldn’t find problems in W10 too. Its perfect for stuff like RPi, servers, robotics etc, but as someone in the comments mentioned its good as a program not OS. On W10 you got option to click few buttons one of them should repair the problem and you are off to the races.
      I tried Linux few times but for me its just huge mess. Windows better or worse at times but just works (it is ofc sometimes annyoing, but I can live with video player I will never use) Linux is good tool but fits only certain screws

      I hope you will understand what I mean

      If there was one customizable Linux Distro (for consumers) then I guess devs would start supporting it, because a lot of people would move to it because most of people just needs their Chrome browser and printer to work, and as for now only W delivers that

      And maybe for you who use it for sometime its simple, but for W10 its just chaos and I cant see in it

      Dont get ass pain


      • dems r. queers-ndikes


        ok. i have used windoze since win2.0; i have supported windoze from win2.0-winnt4.0; i have heard people cry on the phone from having to reinstall nt 4.0 again for the 15th time from floppy disk because they don’t believe that MS would release something that could be blue screened by installing an nt 3.5 program w/ incompatible GDI routines. but it happened and it happened a lot. and i couldn’t tell the client that nt 4.0 was a huge POS. but i wanted to.

        for many years MS recommended that any workstation running windoze be ‘clean machined’ after running no more than 18 months, preferably 12 months max. it is just that big a POS. i have NEVER had to ‘clean machine’ ubuntu linux – NEVER. linux will run FOREVER or until you upgrade your hardware!

        as for browsing & e-mail ubuntu linux – absolutely no problem. python and SQL lite are a snap. and no disc cluster fcks either on the linux ext journaling file system. NONE. i have been using linux since may 2009, almost 8 years now.

        i do have win10 for sketchup and running an older paper feed scanner. it’s just easier to do these on windoze than linux and they work fine.

        oh yes, and don’t forget – NO viruses on linux.

        AND linux ISNt slower. the originator of this blog might be.

        • ghost.dawg@live.com

          I have a Win 7 desktop that I built back in 09. 8 years later it’s still running on the same install. Same with dozens of workstation at the office. You’re referencing fucking NT4.0? Dude live in the now.

    • ghost.dawg@live.com

      Absolute bullshit. What is the largest commercial Linux based company? RedHat. They don’t sell RedHat Server. They can’t. Shit’s GPLED. They can sell support for it though. They make a ton of money doing so. Microsoft also has paid support options for it’s enterprise offerings. While I hand the prize to RedHat for down right knowledgeable support staff both companies have adequate support options if you’re willing to drop a buck to pay for it.

  110. dems r. queers-ndikes

    ok. try unsuccessfully installing windows 7 on a computer that ubuntu 16.04 will install on with NO problems. MS sux the big one. MS install routine terminates (bombs out) since the routine can’t unlock the volume to do the install? wtf? POS MS software. had to go into the command prompt to make the fckn thing work. POS. broken promises from the very beginning of the company w/ dos. converted 8 years back to Ubuntu 9.04 & will never go back to MS except to run sketchup. you don’t know what you are talking about.

    you are one of these little tadpoles that lurks about with no real accomplishment & you piss on something that is wonderful? what makes you believe you are a geek?

    • RT

      That’s a lot of words to tell us you’re having problems with outdated Windows version.

      • dems r. queers-ndikes

        if any one thing should work on retail software, shouldn’t it be the installation routine?

        • BS detection service

          You should be aware that it software is made to “Windows” that does not mean that it should work on every past and future version of Windows.

          Microsoft policy is something like that time elapsed time between Windows release date and other Microsoft software should be under five years. This meant in the past that everything work when you buy some new releases of Microsoft products every three year or it is possible to standardize enviroment for 5-6 year lifespan when you buy everything new on same time.

          Third party applications can be more limited and only work on specific version of Windows.

          Now in Windows 10 and MS Office 365 there is no issues when everything is on latest version and there is monthly or yearly subscription. Windows 10 is changeing twice per year so in practically all apps are HTML5, from Windows store or some other subscription based like Adobe Creative Cloud.

          • dems r. queers-ndikes

            i don’t understand what you said here, but it seems that you imply i tried to install win7 on a new computer. this was a clean machine reinstall on an older computer. the installation program did NOT work after the drive partition was deleted, created, & formatted NTFS. however, an installation routine should work AUTOMATICALLY without intervention. POS MSFT – always. but win7 works ok for a secondary OS. it is better than nothing for a kid to learn on, which this is intended.

  111. cer0un0cer0

    I love the part in your description that says “mechanical engieneering student” please make the society a favor and go to sale real estate. You have no neurons

  112. M. Post

    Over all I would agree, linux doesn’t make a very good desktop. That is way I moved to Mac years ago, all the pluses of a great unix core with a world class UI/desktop. So for me leave Linux for the servers, Macs for desktop work, and PC for games. However in all fairness to the Linux desktop

    #3 applies just as much to Windows as it does to Linux. I use to hate how every new release of Windows I would have to figure you where M$ moved things to.

    Your #4, #9 & #10 I would say apply to Open Source in general. Yet you would be hard pressed to find any significant online project that doesn’t use some, if not a lot, of open source.

    I would say #11 applies to the whole software industry, if not humanity in general.

  113. Matt

    The horrible, rude community is the only reason I gave up and will never use Linux again. Sure, the internet is full of assholes, but I don’t have to deal with them when one of my appliances breaks. Imagine if your washing machine broke and to fix it you had to deal with online trolls. Sounds awful right? As bad as Microsoft customer support its I would rather deal with them for 5000 straight days than talk to a Linux troll for 30 seconds. The. Absolute. Worst. People. On. Earth. Period.

    • D

      I mean, this comment section proves it too. If you want to find the worst of it then I’d also recommend Arch Linux community. I bet nobody can find worse OS community.

      • Spooky

        And I am one of those. The thing is that Arch has the most precise wiki/howto on – EVERYTHING related to arch linux it self. You won’t find more accurate and detailed (without mistakes) wiki anywhere else. There is detailed explanation for each and every package on what it does, how to install it and what to expect and what YOU SHOULD NOT DO + all the GUI variants if one doesn’t want to use particular program via shell. Each and every 90+ IQ human(oid) should be able to handle everything by just following the – words there, without forum usage/login at all, by him/her self. The Linux community is smaller than other communities and it apparently should stay that way. Linux is also very, very user friendly, but it is picky about it’s friends..

        • Tom

          Spooky is an idiot. I’ve been using Linux for YEARS, and the Arch install wiki is anything but ‘exact’. There are so many pitfalls with the Arch installation experience. Try reading the Arch forums sometime, moron.

      • Tom

        Based on what I’ve ‘read’, the Arch Community was very friendly at first, but then again they’re all like that. Once the community got going, the distro was ‘out there’, it seemed the bad apples just moved into the Arch community from other distros. This is the one thing that is killing Linux slowly, the fragmentation of the community. Broken communities mean developers are not on the same page, and poof…..

    • BS detection service

      Have you ever try to talk real support personel? I think Red Hat customer support is much better than Microsoft. However, it is much easier to order Microsoft licenses than Red Hat.

      • ghost.dawg@live.com

        Truth. Red Hat support is stellar. With Microsoft you might get a great engineer…. or you might get a fucking idiot. Coin toss really. Red Hat support is consistently good.

  114. Dr.J

    Unfortunately I only have one thing to tell you: you are absolutely right. I love Linux too, especially Arch. And I am using nothing but Arch for everything: Office, Onlinebanking, media (with Kodi) and so on. But you are right. Forget plug and play. Maybe it takes a week to make your scanner work or your printer or maybe your smardcard. You can love Linux for many reasons, but you always have to accept its limitations and that is something a lot of people won’t do. Therefore Linus (Torvalds)/Linux can forget to push windows aside on the Desktop. It will take along time (if ever) until I can finally file my Windows10-Virtual-Machine just because I don’t need it any longer.

  115. Cyr4x

    Gnome 2 wasn’t so sleek, althoug not tragic too. Gnome 3 classic worked faster and better. That was the best option in Ubuntu then, but they wanted to go a Mac way and created Unity monster.

  116. John

    I can agree to most of your points. Linux on desktop still sucks. And the reason for this is waste of resources. Would all the people work together an concentrate on one target, linux would blow Microsoft and Apple out of the water within less than 24 months. And this would mean that the software industry really starts to develop interest in this platform too – but again: Dogmatism und fundamentalism could even then prevent success.

    Linux ist awesome. On servers. But only because people would create pain to themselves if they follow same paradigms than on desktop linux. Anyway.. May be in another 20 years Linux on desktop could suffice. We’ll see…

  117. Bert Nijhof

    I want to put in a good word for open office now libre office. While still working in 2010 on two occasions I saved Word documents from my colleagues. I loaded the Word files in Write, saved it and then Microsoft Word accepted it again.

    • John

      Works, as long as you limit yourself to simple things. It starts to be annoying as soon as you need more than simple letters or some pages of text. If you come to calculations, you will be lost in space very quickly – and if you need some commercial / individual macros / extensions for corporate design, libraries etc. you’re totally screwed.

      And be hones to yourself: How many people do you know who are using “Libre Office” instead of Microsoft Office. Especially in a professional / business context?

  118. Richard Yardley

    John. I personally keep mint on other hdd as a backup. You never know what any o/s will do at times. Amen brother!

  119. cyberexplorer

    Love linux, most of these aren’t a problem with me except the support part, especially with acer :/ .

  120. Kuntal Majumder

    “And it’s not just engineering. How about video editing? You can not do serious, professional video editing on a Linux rig” , this might be a problem a few years back but now we have programs like Ligthworks and BlackMagic Design Fusion , and though they are not open source , they have a free version with some limitations (export resolution upto HD and some other features), the price tag is also pretty nice considering the features their full version have.

      • Cyr4x

        Software being used in Hollywood blockbusters is not viable… Times when there was Adobe Premiere and nothing else are forever gone.

        • RT

          That’s cool and all, but nobody uses those awful alternatives. Industry standards exist for a reason.

      • BS detection service

        True. But criticism should also based on facts and not for imagination. Example it should be clarified what operating system we are talking about. “Linux” does not mean anything.

        Other good advice is that if there is something to complaint, the appelant should be able to provide instructions how to repeat the issue. Otherwise it is some imaginay problem.

    • Tom

      Maybe $20,000 of CRAP by elitist developers who spend their time stalking the IRC channels and Slashdot, LMAO.

  121. Fumbletrumpet

    Yeah, I get it !!

    Very sad to read all the backlash – it’s such a ‘free speech’ society isn’t it. NOT !

    Like a lot of people I started out in Window-land because it was what was there, got fed up (in my case) with the cost of keeping up with (legit) software or the incessant scamming once one drifts into non-legit-ware. Curious I ‘tried’ Linux (back in the ‘buntu Koala days), liked it and mostly stuck with it. Have more-or-less upgraded with the LTS revisions and it does the job, mostly. Generally Ubuntu is brilliant. (Yes, if I was rich I’d probably have a Mac – looks nicer, probably works at least as well and when you see some software that would be really quite useful there’d be a chance that there’s a version. The Linux ‘alternatives’ aren’t always there, or so good. And I’ve still got – and use – an iPod). But, as you’ve said, it’s free and those without much to spend will always be hamstrung. So, at this point the reader wonders what my point is – because I’m essentially agreeing with you.

    Well, I do still flip over to Windows from time to time. And each time I do I’m hit with the dreaded updates. Updates that lock-up your machine for seemingly hours. Maybe they’d not be so bad if I was using Windows every day, but holy moley, for me, the OS seems to need A LOT of demanding and urgent attention ! Over in Ubuntu I get a polite little icon that tells me to do a download. It can do it while I keep working. It doesn’t hold me up or lock me down. For that reason and for me Linux is a big winner.

    • Fumbletrumpet

      Oh yes. The AutoCAD thing. There’s a Draftsight version (by Dessault, the Solidworks people) for Linux if you only need 2D drafting. There’s BricsCAD which will probably (I don’t use it very often) do some basic 3D stuff. Both very similar commands to AutoCAD. If you’re of a Linux mind (i.e. like delving into the complexities) there’s also FreeCAD which takes me an age to ‘get into’ each time I use it, but it does me okay for some basic 3D when I do need. AutoCAD may be the ‘way forward’ but it was the prohibitive cost of this (at one time – the monthly licence plan seems a little less painful) and a need to keep up-to-date that drove me away from Windows back in the day.

    • Tom

      Those same (well, not the same, but you get the gist, hopefully) updates are on Linux, but you only see them when you type in something like “sudo apt-get upgrade” or somesuch. Don’t fool yourself, Linux is just as needed and twice as fragmented as Windows.

  122. DWRailroad

    Useful feedback, valid considerations for those without an intimately familiar working knowledge with Linux. For busy professionals, not even Linux Mint may be the best choice, considering the number of applications, software, etc. required for “normal” business operations which are or may be limited for Linux.

    Despite personally in-depth technical knowledge, there just wouldn’t be enough hours in a week to install Linux (not as straightforward or easy as Linux makes it sound, compared to OS X or Windows 7), learn its peculiarities only to find out after all those hours that many of the business apps, software we’ve been using may not be available or compatible with Linux. Conversely, I would’ve thought it Linux would’ve been a perfect fit for, using your major as an example, engineering students … until you mentioned common programs such as AutoCAD. Office automation drivers can be a major issue. Major office automation (office “machines”) have a difficult enough time keeping up with OS X and Windows updates, upgrades and changes.

    As much as we would like to jump ship entirely from Darth Vader and his Death Star, again, Linux just isn’t a viable option for busy professionals or busy offices.

    Aside from that, hope you’re not living in Ventura and commuting for engineering (I don’t believe CSUCI has an engineering program)!

    • BS detection service

      Operating system is usually preinstalled and business applications are usually compatible with all operating systems, so your text is full of nonsense.

    • Matt

      And then you spent even more time reading the entire thing and then also posting a comment on it,. Who is the idiot in this situation? Hint: it’s you

  123. Justin R

    -I like when the Linux fix for something is to run Windows Virtual machine… It’s like Linux is so great it can run Windows.
    -It don’t take shit to just totally hose the computer. You got to be trying something strong to hose out Windows like that.
    -I like how the Linux dorks are love using terminal… Yeah, lets skip the GUI and run DOS!
    -I don’t know where Linux guys get their keyboards at but mine are only rated for 10 million keystrokes life meaning a blow through a keyboard every time I need to install a driver or something.
    -I like when I do updates my network has DNS issue then trying to fix it hoses OS. I like that my wire Ethernet says device not managed.
    -I like that it don’t have MS paint, which I use to make everything from fake bills, highschool diplomas, ID’s. Receipts, and any other documents I might need.

    The reason I use Linux. First was Microsoft Antivirus crying because I had a super high risk computer might explode keygen that was infected (I don’t know how that happened when I had to compile it myself) but stands idle while CTB locker is encrypting all my files using the built in shit that I wouldn’t even of had installed if it was a option on the add/remove windows components. Second the Antivirus detects nothing when my computer was infected with a virus that couldn’t be detected by any antivirus but was slowly taking over the computer and I could see that components in windows software was slowly changing and it was jumping around to all my computers, my phone, and got to the point where my cars head unit was having errors and acting funny when it connected by bluetooth, a complete fdisk and reinstall did nothing and new hard drive and no network card did nothing to fix it so I installed Mint Linux, then switched to Ubuntu due to network issue

    • Cyr4x

      You can click almost 100% what you do in Linux, but if you can do something faster in terminal, why to waste time? I barely use terminal, but for some operations it’s the best way.

  124. Bob C

    Many people below are confirming Reason #11 below. It’s sad. It’s the #1 reason I don’t recommend Linux to anybody. God help you if you have a problem. The help you’ll receive will be too abusive, too complicated, or simply not work. You’re better off alone. And you WILL have at least one problem right off the bat, especially if you dual-boot — the clock is guaranteed to be wrong. It also doesn’t run the latest version of iTunes or Microsoft Office. Web browsing will be slower. Some of your hardware will most likely not work, but it’ll be totally random as to what that is. And it’s significantly slower than Windows 10 in almost every respect unless you downgrade to a GUI that looks plainer than Windows XP. Then it will be slower in only a few respects. What average user wants to use that?

    This post is accurate in many ways, and I have encountered many of these problems myself. Whatever Linux distro I try, I end up removing its partition a week later and just start using Windows again. Linux is free, but my time isn’t. I’m done trying it out for now.

    I hope that at some point, since Microsoft and Apple have stopped advancing, that Linux will finally catch up and be a formidable replacement for the average user. I like the general idea of it. But after 20 years, it still has a long way to go. And unless it starts addressing some of the reasons given above (many of them come down to lack of coordination), it may take another 20 years to catch up.

      • Matt

        This is exactly the kind of support response he was talking about. Way to immediately justify his comments about the community,

      • Tom

        Your logic is a bit fuzzy. You may just be fucking delusional. Linux sucks BECAUSE it doesn’t support hardware, and there IS NO IT SUPPORT in Linux unless you pay for Red Crap or something.

  125. A Nation Of 'Serfs' (preoccupied with marijuna and womans clothing)

    The problem as I see it is called ‘open source’/to many hands in the mix. And while we would all like to think it’s Freedom in reality it’s anything but freedom because we spend a good deal of time trying to find workable solutions to problems. I just installed the latest Ubuntu build and while I am very impressed everything worked out of the box I still cannot figure out how to disable the constant on web camera light.

    But if you want to get out from under the major players out there you have little choices and even Linux like Ubuntu is embedding Google.
    They caved like everyone else does, for the revenue.

    Lets face the hard facts, we are all owned.

    • ghost.dawg@live.com

      The proper terminology is Pwned. Though Pwnt it totally acceptable.

  126. Tim Hawes

    I have been using Linux for 21 years. And I will be the first to say, yes, for the average desktop user, Linux sucks. But you know what (and this will come as a shocker)? Linux was not written for the average desktop user. It was written by someone who had the desire/need to run a UNIX system on an IBM PC (that was a non-existent option until the early 1990’s).

    I am not better than you, the average desktop user, or anyone else for my choice of operating system. I do not push Linux on to other people. If you are unhappy with Windows, try a Mac. If you are unhappy with Mac, try Windows. If you are unhappy with both, and you are not interested in learning about your system, try Linux from a vendor who pre-installs it on a laptop and will support you when you need it (System76 and Dell are options, but for the price, you might be better served with a Mac or Windows PC).

    The reason why there are what you call “needless competition” is quite simply because no one writes a Linux app with the thought “I will make tons of money from this” but rather more likely from “none of the other tools does what I want, what if I wrote my own tool that did! Oh yeah, and it will give me the opportunity to learn programming language ‘x’ while I am at it”. This is not a bad thing. If you don’t like your options, make your own. Again, not the sort of thing for the “average desktop user”.

    I find arguments to make Linux the “next desktop” amusing, funny, sometimes even annoying, but not serious options. Linux has taken the computer world by storm. But it did not do this through the fledgling desktop system, but in the server world. For servers, even Microsoft has finally bent the knee to Linux. Most “average computer users” have now moved on to tablets and smart phones (ironically a world of BSD UNIX in the form of iOS, and Linux in the form of Android). The desktop market growth has been consistently shrinking over the past 7-8 years. This trend will continue. Why would I care if Linux took over a dying market?

    To average desktop users, I say, unless you need out of your box, and are willing to leave your comfort zone, avoid Linux. This is the advice I give to others.

    Linux should not change for the average desktop user, the average desktop user should change to use Linux. Because with even all the ‘gee-whiz slick desktop options’ out there for Linux, using Linux will change the average desktop user.

  127. Icefinity

    Too many distros… For a new user to select 1 linux distro is very hard since the vast majority have a very steep learning curve. Also cause of so many distros , all distros are mediocre because the developers are spread over a lot of distros .

    It’s not very fast at least now how it used to be. I don’t see any difference between windows 7 and the latest linux mint.

    Very buggy mostly because of the poor hardware support. Even now after 1 year my pc takes 3 min to start and 3 min to close.

    Using Linux Mint 18 on my 2nd PC and i feel like it gives me health problems because of the frustration created from all the problems that appear for each basic need.

    Want to make a bootable usb for something? Sure try 10 applications (some that don’t allow isos others that are very buggy because they are discontinued) . After trying 10 you get mediocre results

    Want VLC to be topmost? Sure it has that feature by default by try to make that to actually work…

    Have an external hard disk? Pray to God that it will be read and wrote properly. (70% of the time it wont)

    Have a new smart phone? Goodbye to thumbnail reading. Enjoy browsing thru 400 photos 1 by 1 because of the lack of support on that.

    • BS detection service

      “Too many distros…”

      New user always need to select some distro. It doesn’t matter is there Linux or not and there is usually 1-4 to choose depending what are requirements.

      “Want to make a bootable usb for something? Sure try 10 applications (some that don’t allow isos others that are very buggy because they are discontinued) . After trying 10 you get mediocre results”

      It is your own choise if you want to use some hobbyist system like Mint. Operating systems what normal people use are not buggy.

    • Jim Bond

      “Too many distros…” — I will give you that, but for most users it is irrelevant,
      new users will most likely choose one of the mainstream distros like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora or OpenSuse. maybe CentOS

      “all distros are mediocre because the developers are spread over a lot of distros…” this is not true and you know it. each distro have it’s own developers. they are not spread over many distros.

      “Want to make a bootable usb for something? Sure try 10 applications …” — WHY?
      Mint comes with a very nice USB creator by default. just take an ISO and burn it.
      now if you need a custom usb use GParted, also installed by default in Mint or easily installed in Ubuntu or fedora.

      can’t even figure out what problems you have with External disks. if disk is in good health and not NTFS (which is not supported by default in Linux) it will mount and work just fine. never had a problem with any drives in 6 years

      “Have a new smart phone? Goodbye to thumbnail reading. Enjoy browsing thru 400 photos 1 by 1 because of the lack of support on that.” — again don’t know what you mean. I connect any of my 2 smart phones to my Mint desktop and browse them as if they where external disks with all thumbnails and all.

  128. Ben Huang

    I really want to like Linux, but there are so many fanboys that flame me for being a Windows user.

    • Ken

      That’s another problem. Lot of people use Linux only because they hate Microsoft/Apple and thus have to shit on them in every occasion rather than acting mature about it.

  129. Willie

    Linux pained my ass as a new user because all those extra little programs like lightdm added an extra step to everything which made it confusing to learn to do anything. It wasn’t until I tried archlinux where I realized all those extra little programs were actually just extra little programs and linux finally started to make sense. Then I realized that everything in linux is directly under the users control. That is a nice change from windows always trying to force me to do crap I don’t want.

  130. Robert Washbourne

    This is a bit ridiculous to say the least. The only point with merit is #4 (competition among software). In most of your reasons you have a nice little clickbait header then say “oh wait it’s actually not that bad”…

    #1 Elementary os (solus os, linux mint etc) have fixed this.

    #2 Bullshit. Linux has a bigger community for help and discussion (at least a more involved one) than Windows ever will.

    #3 Who cares? Ubuntu not working for you? Put your home on a partition and switch to Linux Mint without losing anything.

    #5 Bullshit. This is where the community comes in. For every device, camera, etc there is a package on the aur or on some repo.

    #6 Bullshit. (I see you said “Okay, it’s not slow. It’s just not fast anymore” but it is.) If anything is slower in Linux than on Windows on your “powerful gaming laptop” it’s probably the nvidia drivers (I admit, Linux is lacking in this area). Ubuntu will be fast if you get your proprietary hardware working well.

    #7 Again, bullshit. You mitigated this a bit with a well placed oh “they don’t exactly suck”, but in all those areas we can find a fix:

    Engineering stuff: buy crossovers. Programs will run faster than they do on windows. (this is from the makers of wine, except it it native).

    Video editing: crossovers, or some great software like pitivi.org or lwks.com.

    Office work: Word online/google drive. Works way better then office for me.

    #8 Gaming. Playonlinux/crossovers + the 30k games on steam. You can even sideload windows if you really want to.

    #9 Ubuntu has many skilled developers, plus the thousands of coders from arch, plus the thousands of coders from linux kernel, plus the skilled people from redhat, etc. Simply not true.

    #10 I had two separate friends who installed linux after I recommended it (and they looked stuff up + they were sick of windows bloatware/mac bullshit). One tried Manjaro linux (stable arch as easy as ubuntu) and the other is using fedora. Neither of them had any frustration and when I asked one of them how he liked it he told me that “everything was a quick google search away” and that the forums were very helpful.

    #11 Similar replies, in far greater numbers could be found on any Windows community (gaming/software/help, whatever).

    #The end

    Yes, I am a fanboy. I run arch linux. I write articles when I see something cool and when someone’s windows pc crashes I whisper “use linux”. But really, I think that you are exaggerating.

    • Will Scranton

      Pure byte-boi balony … for casual Linux usrs Linux “fixes” in all respects work poorly. Don’t stray 1/2 step cause you can’t fix the breakage … can’t rework for uggabuggajuju reasons. That’s 25 years of Linux experience talkin’

    • Ken

      > Linux has a bigger community for help and discussion (at least a more involved one) than Windows ever will.
      Simply false. Not only is the community tiny (2% marketshare), but they will most likely call you names before actually “helping” you (help being “google it” only to land in same page)

        • VB

          >who actually post on windows forums is lower than the Linux community.

          My sides. Do you actually believe this crap?

      • ghost.dawg@live.com

        You don’t really need a “community” with Windows. You can google your way out of most problems because the user base is fucking massive.

    • Matt

      “#11 Similar replies, in far greater numbers could be found on any Windows community (gaming/software/help, whatever).”

      Except that is your ONLY choice with Linux. If my Windows install breaks I have the option of calling Microsoft support and talking to a paid employee who isn’t going to troll me, call me an idiot, and dox me.

  131. AG

    Well the old adage “You get what you paid for” is certainly true. Linux Sucks is an understatement

  132. Wetherby

    I “was” a first timer with a Linux just last week. Set up Gnome 16.10 on a new, separate drive from Win7-64.
    Experiences in trying to get off shore and swim with it have been hell from the start, and although you said the people’s attitude is getting better, after reading supposed similar fixes of other attempted users, (anyone can go search and see this) you will find, the bulk of them are filled with arrogant, unhelpful responses, and if the seekers of this advice bother to come back and tell them it didn’t work, it’s always in anger because of the destruction the attempt of a new, non-MS, OS had caused to their system. And if they’re not arrogantly laced with immature name calling, they’ll then direct you to a bunch of acronym-ed, meaningless (to greenhorns) jargon and help files that, “SORRY LINUX COMMUNITY” – is precisely what we’re seeking to learn about when we go to help forums.
    e.g. Explaining the chemical reactions of yeast and sugar is not an answer to how come my bread fell? and, you need a help file for your help file, not everyone was let loose from their mommy’s teat to a Nintendo controller.
    So, there’s no problems with torrenting your chosen version and burning it, etc., the problems begin when the install starts. You better be prepared to know your keyboard language, version and layout because even when installing on a completely different drive, somehow, Ubuntu decides it needs to override all said settings related to keyboard, and if you don’t match exactly what Win7-64 automatically did, when you boot back into windows your time will be off by 9 hrs (in my case) ALL your user security settings will be jacked, and although the letters show up correctly on screen as typed, something is transpiring in the actual input settings wherein, if you try to rename a file for instance, you get the Windows nag screen, “File names can not use ?/\+=|, blah blah, blah.” Hence, I apparently didn’t choose wisely, mainly because I wasn’t told I needed to know the entire complexities of all the versions of keyboards, and yes, there’s several just for English keyboards, and, many English keyboards are somehow programmed in Japanese dialect or something, I really don’t know, all I know is, windows is useless, and so far, the only fix I’ve located for others who’ve had this happen is a re-install of windows. You can be sure, a Linux re-install will never follow!
    Yes the Linux foul mouthed eggheads can certainly go ahead and “blame the greenhorn” for “being so stupid” that, “you didn’t even select the right keyboard layout” – and do so with all your precious concoctions of four letter words of your immature narrow-mindedness, but I assure you, that methodology of garnering newcomers is in fact, totally contradictory to the pages upon pages, and dedicated websites, and video channels etc., all expressing their desire for, and your need to, “get us involved” in your failing projects.
    Can anyone imagine where MS and its god Billbo Gates would be, if he spent his days slamming people with foul mouthed named calling expected only out of drunken 18 year olds, every time his crap-spy-ware products were proved to be crap-spy-ware? I dare say, he might be lucky to find 100 visitors a month to his latest version of windows 3.1.002343585648, and if he’s very lucky, he won’t lose 95 of those he attracted the month before?

    The next problem, is directly related to the laundry list of childishly immature issues only touched in the above. And I know, Intel, AMD, etc., have had their fill of these people and that’s a large part of why, until they change their modus-operandi, these manufacturers will be as helpful to the Linux community as the Linux community is to their newbies. Which is also why, my not so old, AMD 7800 2gig graphics card was ill received, (Ubuntu shrank it and my OS memory? – don’t ask me how or why because the other people who asked didn’t get any answers either.) Hence, I wound up with no video memory and 6 of my 8 gig mem on my Intel board with a relatively old, but [fast on windows 7-64,] 4 core chip/Q9650). Both of which, by now, ought to be slam dunks for any OS worth it’s salt. I mean really, despite it being a semi-worthless test, with an SSD drive, Windows maxes out it’s own rating system with this homemade setup, so no, it’s not a piece of junk, for, in windows anyway, it does just fine editing and re-encoding full digital 1080 video.

    And that brings me in circle back to the first. I am sick and tired of these people telling – otherwise, fairly intelligent people they’re dumber than boxes of rocks whenever “their” code can’t efficiently deal with basic hardware setups. And no, it’s NOT convenient to then have to spend the next six hours finding and learning about scripts, commands and more, blah, blah, blah’s? – especially when, no one in the “friendly” community seeking has enough patients to show anyone without throwing a temper tantrum. (Given the lack of working answers, I’m beginning to question the Linux volunteer community’s own intelligence, A LOT!) I’ve been building systems since the days of the beautiful black screen and blinking cursors of DOS. So it’s not that I or all these other people can’t figure out how to write scripts, commands or whatever, many of us have been doing so since the days these people’s mommy’s were pushing them out of their wombs. It’s the levels of knowledge due to the intensity of new command codes etc., that isn’t quite the same as remembering to “CD . .” to get out of the directory you’re in? Know what I mean? Today, vs then, Code is like the sands of sea, and their help files remind me a lot of talking to a Marine about the entire process of becoming a Marine? You’ll typically have no less than 130 acronyms thrown at you, and when he’s done, the only thing you know is, you better get a book on Marine Core acronyms.
    So . . . since the people who had their systems jacked by Ubuntu GNOME (in the same way it jacked mine) can’t get answers to solve the CRITICAL screw-up / problem that their Linux OS created, I’ll try to re-install Ubuntu and this time, “knowing that I need to know all about the specs of the “standard keyboard” I’ll see if it will fix whatever the hell it did to my windows installation.
    SLING AWAY, I won’t be responding, I’ve had enough of you.

    • BS detection service

      “Set up Gnome 16.10”

      Set up WHAT?

      “So . . . since the people who had their systems jacked by Ubuntu GNOME (in the same way it jacked mine) can’t get answers to solve the CRITICAL screw-up / problem”

      Oh, you have installed preview version of Ubuntu (16.10, not LTS) with some Gnome desktop variation and not standard Unity. It is always user error if it install some beta-, preview-, insider-, developer-, unstable-, testing- whatever unfinished crap. These are full of problems and point is that tester will found issues and fill bug reports or fix bugs.

      Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is the current version of ready, finished product. (16.04.1 is suitable installation image, 16.04.2 is for newer hardware). And previous release was 14.04 LTS (14.04.1 or 14.04.5 are suitable for that).

      “Ubuntu decides it needs to override all said settings related to keyboard, and if you don’t match exactly what Win7-64 automatically did”

      Windows settings are not related to Ubuntu.

      “when you boot back into windows your time will be off by 9 hrs”

      Windows issues are not related to Ubuntu.

      ” I needed to know the entire complexities of all the versions of keyboards”

      Basic knowledge on any operating system installation. You have to use right keyboard in Windows too, no diffrence.

      “you get the Windows nag screen, “File names can not use ?/\+=|, blah blah, blah.” ”

      Windows file system restrictions are not related to Ubuntu.

      “all I know is, windows is useless, and so far, the only fix I’ve located for others who’ve had this happen is a re-install of windows.”

      People normally use one operating system at time. For playing with operating systems there is virtualization.

        • BS detection service

          I have not seen a lot of computer sold with dual boot so it is reasonable to assume that responsibility to issues are in user.

          There are a certain group of people wishing to assemly computers and install all possible crap from Internet themselves, and blame others if they have issues. As if everything should be compatible.

          If I bought ten computers with Windows 10 and I use practices used by this ecosystem, or I bought ten computers with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and I use practices used by this ecosystem, either case I don’t have any issues.

          • Old Cat

            Very often I see how people advice to use dual boot in case if you need special software which works only in windows, but want to try linux too.

            Turns out those advices mean nothing.

    • Will Scranton

      Sure every Linux suxxx to hi-heaven and so do byte-boi/weiner-dude geeks. So … G*d bless ya, and stay with Linux, pal. Only … don’t try a dual install. Dedicate one (1) machine to Ubuntu + Mate and after 2 years or so you will be a *issed-off, but defiant Linux usr ! Linux really is better and time-comes you see that while GRUB fails yet-again & cursing Torvalds black-soul to Hades.

      • soggyEel (@soggyEel)

        Or, you know, RTFM like those of us who can install multiple OSs on the same drive did to learn how to begin with. I’ll grant that Ubuntu is a curse to the linux community, but not for the reasons supposed in the preceding posts. Ubuntu has dragged the level of discourse within the linux community to that of whetherby’s original post. BS Detection Service laid out how asinine the OP is. This is the curse of Ubuntu. If you don’t want verbal abuse for being a dumbass, do like the rest of us did, learn to not be a dumb ass. Every single person who has even a modicum of skill within the linux ecosystem gained that skill through study and trial/error. That’s why no one has patience for Ubuntu users who expect those more skilled to hold their hand through problems that could be solved by reading 10 pages of a manual. Read first, ask questions later. It is not the community’s responsibility to think for you. Only you can prevent stupidity.

        • BS detection service

          Usually there is no need to RTFM. Ubuntu works like any unix and there is no hardware issues in preinstalled system.

          Of course there is always someone who like to recycle some ancient Windows XP computer with broken memory or broken hard drive and blaim if 15 year newer OS doesn’t work. Or if the principles are similar to Mac OS or Red Hat Enterprise instead of Windows.

  133. ant

    Good bye linux. Have been with linux for 7 years but its time to go. First all was good on an acer aspire. When the acer was too dated five years later I had problems with an msi notebook (cedarview graphics etc) , so I bought a lenovo x230 supposedly ubuntu certified perhaps for 12.04 but under 16.04 the track pad jumps all over the place. My laptop is virtually unusable as a result No solution as far as I can tell I have trawled the internet for about 8 hours there is no solution to fix that problem (even though there are scripts to fix other trackpad issues). Now I see Samba is not working out of the box on 16.04 !! The list goes on of bugs etc. Things that worked fine under 12.04 now have bugs to fix. I thought an LTS would be stable.

    When I see fixes for problems I am experiencing under 16.04 are the same fixes required for 14.04 I wonder…why ?

    It’s getting more difficult to find linux compatible hardware due to commercial reasons yet ubuntu or whoever develops these popular linuxes is making it even harder by making previously compatible hardware incompatible on new releases !

    I recently tried windows 10 which unsurprisingly still sucks imo and its still slow (even with ssd and 8gb ram).
    My partner defected to Mac a year ago. I was against the idea at the time but now I have come round to common sense life is too short to spend wasting doing stuff that fails to enliven one’s spirits.

    So perhaps linux is only for a minority, developers and computer geeks etc. But 99% of us just want something that works and are maybe prepared for a little tinkering but not days of trawling the net for solutions.

    Technology is supposed to serve humans not the other way around.

    • BS detection service

      “so I bought a lenovo x230 supposedly ubuntu certified perhaps for 12.04 but under 16.04 the track pad jumps all over the place”

      So why not use Ubuntu 12.04 LTS? It is still supported. Stable and does not changes constantly.

      “Now I see Samba is not working out of the box on 16.04 !!”

      In Ubuntu you should use NFS. SMB is not standard.

  134. Hubert

    1) The regression in the configurability of the desktops is a real concern,
    the gnome-tweak-tool and the ‘extensions’ of gnome 3 proof, by their existence, the inadequacy of the desktop to our needs.

    2) I thoroughtly use Libre Office and MS Office and definitely prefer LibreOffice. Moreover the compatibility is improving.

    3) Win10 is easier to configure and usable but MS developers are NOT skilled: win8 was a nightmare, Word and Excel GUI gather all the mistakes a programmer is told to avoid and MS managers persist in designing their product for stupid users.

    4) Android is a real demonstration of competence: done right on the first trial and improving.
    Gnome and KDE managers should have a look at it.

  135. Gabriel Faure

    You might consider running for president of the US– you bring to the discussion the same reasoned, informed, and well-documented points of view that DJT brings to world affairs.

  136. sonoma956446

    I Have a dual boot Windows 7 / Mint XFCE and spend 95% of my time on MInt. XFCE is quick, no virus problems although I do have clam av as I use Wine to run a few old games I like. The only thing that kills me is I can not burn a Data CD and my car wont take DVDs. So I just use a ipod. MS has alienated me with Windows 10 and I have made my living fixing the mess people make out of their Win-installations for 22 years.

  137. This blog is cancer

    You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. Reading your post, one can easily understand that your ‘linux experience’ does not go further than installing a distro which hardly requires any kind of configuration.

    • John Morris

      Reading other articles on this site dealing specifically with the usage and configuration of Linux, or discussions that have taken place in the comments below; however, would show that your understanding is lacking. It would further hint, but not necessarily evidence that your conclusion was not based upon details from the article, but was instead a fabrication conjured up to demonize someone holding opposing views in an effort to make yourself feel superior. But I would only be guessing at that last part.

  138. α-Taxonomy

    This post is a grammar and style NIGHTMARE. Couldn’t bare reading it, I had to quit half way through. Was this your first attempt at writing a not-so-serious review on GNU/Linux OS? Come on, at least make your mom read it and give you some corrections back. It is really underwhelming and painful to read. Why? I wouldn’t know where to start, but, I can suggest you grab a book on style and English grammar. That’s more constructive than shitting all over your post.

    Reason #1: It’s Complicated – You provide no evidence to support your claims. Half of your text contradicts itself. Your main idea is that GNU/Linux (Linux hereafter) OS is, as complicated as you want it to be. The aformentioned, paradoxically, is the advantage of Linux OS. Other OS are severed by propietary code, you buy a license, nothing more. Because of propietary code you can not alter, edit or redistribute the OS or it’s software. Many tasks are imposible, slow, limited or very hard to perform on other OS; unlike in Linux OS, thanks to the use of the efficient UNIX-like shell scripting. The compromise between Linux OS flexibiliy and powerfulness is what makes it strive among other OS.

    Reason #2: You’re Alone… Almost – Again, you provide no evidence to support your claim. Your text is all over the place, it doesn’t seem to have a main idea. After reading it, I’m left wondering, is there help or not? make your mind up.

    Reason #3: It Changes Constantly – How constantly does Linux change? Do you have any data (temporal) and analysis to contrast Linux against other OS? It seems that the reader is left to blindly belive in whatever you say, and nod in approve. Further, you only mention Ubuntu Linux main distribution, there are dozens of other distributions of Linux which you do not cover. How can you make an overall assesment of Linux as a whole when your sample size is equal to one? so far all your points are flawed.

    I will not continue because your text is severely crippled by the lack of understanding of grammar, punctuation, and style. Additionally, you epically defeat yourself in each point using counterarguments that leave the reader in a limbo. I would recommend retracting this post until all the flaws are corrected. Readers beware of the validity of any claims made by the author of this post. Reader discretion is advised.


    • John Morris

      That’s an interesting debate tactic to take. During my initial skimming of your comment, I counted 2 egregious grammar errors, as opposed to minor technical ones, and 1 misused word in only the first paragraph. That’s the problem with going for the disparaging grammar police method; it means your contributions are even more strongly scrutinized and your arguments more strongly undermined.

      I would continue and debate the points you did try to “shit all over,” but it’s fairly apparent you didn’t actually read them. Also, it’s easier to take the unnecessarily aggressive page from your playbook. “It [your comment] is really underwhelming and painful to read. Why? I wouldn’t know where to start, but, [sic] I can suggest you grab a book on style and English grammar. That’s more constructive than….” Actually, I’ll stop here. Continuing to return the quote would violate my personal guideline of being nice and being respectful in comments.

      • BS detection service

        Initial post nearly a year ago has egregious technical error while author does not seem to have any idea what is Linux.

        The only constructive argument is that you should first define what is your imaginary “Linux” and what is that imaginary “Non-Linux” to compare.

        • John Morris

          I don’t see the relevance of this comment to this particular thread.

          As to the defining those terms, there is another comment thread where this has been discussed with you ad nauseum.

      • α-Taxonomy

        Yes, I have some errors. Unfortunately this plataform does not allow one to edit posts. So there’s no way I could or can go back to correct my mistakes, sorry. I did notice them, I usually post and then edit, my bad. For you, as webmaster of this site should be straight-forward to go back on your post and redo it. As a side note, English is my thrid language (of the four I have learned), it’s reasonable that I have some mistakes which I fully acknowledge, and wish I could correct. Still, my grammar errors are minor (mostly typos), and do not require altering any of the structure of the post. In your case, the lack of style consistency, grammatical errors, and abundance of counterarguments, requires dumping your post and rewriting everything from scratch.

        I still look forward to your edited post. Now, why not accept that your text is flawed? I showed you how easy it is to refute every sentence you typed. I suggest you take your time, gather some data, do some analyses and then try again. You conviniently avoided replying all my questions regarding data or analyses, why is that? Do you have any? Did you even bothered to think about it? perhaps your purpose was just to put a badly writen rant. In that sense, your post is and will continue to be FLAWED. Until you prove otherwise. If you scroll further down, you will see that I’m not a lone.

        Finally, yes, I only read half of your post, initially. I already read the second half and it’s even more flawed. At any rate, I promise you if you come back with data, analyses and a well articulated post I will fully read it.

  139. RGRHON

    Linux just isn’t for you. If you’re not solving problems, but simply crunching data, you may not be happy with something so flexible, with has a steeper learning curve. Windows works well for bankers and accountants, who never really do serious development. When you solve new and innovative problems, only a unix OS is flexible or stable enough. That’s why Linux is used in high-energy physics, super computing, artificial intelligence, etc. if you want to synchronize 1000 processes running on 100 machines, and you need to develop the software yourself lickety split – you aren’t using Windows. You don’t see CERN or NIF running canned software, except in the business areas. If you’re making a report to Congress, well, it had better be damned simple and use Windows. If you’re going to have to try and keep your 13 year old’s machine running and you’re working 13 hour days and don’t have time to figure out what she screwed up, I suggest a Mac, it’s nice and restrictive if you set it up right. For me, I do video editing on a Mac, software development and custom engineering on Linux, and report writing depends on the audience, I use Libre Office in house and Microsoft Office when it’s going to someone at work. There’s not a one size fits all solution.

    • n00dl3

      that’s the smartest answer here….
      I’ve been using linux for like 16 years, since I’m 13 (I started with mandrake 8.0, lol), and I feel like it’s true that linux sucks for average users. But it is so good at one thing: being flexible. As a developer / sysadmin I know that a Linux system is just what you want it to be, and THAT makes the difference. If you want an out-of-the-box-up-and-running system to work with specialized software, go for something else. GNU/Linux is made from the blood and tears of its users and contributors.

      • BS detection service

        No. Everything depends on operating system. It is not dependent is there Linux or not.

        In my experience, Android and ChromeOS are extremely easy for average users.

        Ubuntu LTS is not that easy but it is intended to fit to be suitable to use in workstations. Core feature is that the platform is same in servers.

        • n00dl3

          >No. Everything depends on operating system. It is not dependent is there Linux or not.

          Aaaaand ?

  140. Brendon Green

    An excellent example to illustrate points 4 and 10 would be OpenOffice.org, which, shortly after being acquired by Oracle as part of its purchase of Sun Microsystems, fractured into Apache OpenOffice and LibreOffice. The two codebases are still substantially the same product, but licensing restrictions hamper code sharing — LibreOffice can benefit from Apache code, but not vice versa; resulting in needless duplication of effort.

    Reference: http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

    • Brendon Green

      It seems that, no matter how many times I install Debian on my desktop or laptop, it inevitably degenerates into chaos. Although, I fully expect that is due to me doing stupid things like running mixed testing/unstable/experimental.

  141. Bernardo Galvão

    Please! Help me! I installed ubuntu with no option to go back to windows 10 and this machine is just running hot and slower! WHAT DO I DO NOW!?

    I am serious when I ask you, give me some tips!

    Please tell me that installing arch linux is enough…

    • John Morris

      There are so many variables here, it’s difficult to help without more information.

      When installing Ubuntu, did you erase the Windows 10 partition? If you left Windows in tact, then most Linux distributions, these days, will present it as an option in the boot manager when starting. You can simply select Windows and press ENTER. Assuming Windows works in this manner, if you wish to get rid of Linux and that boot manager altogether, you can use a Windows 10 disc and run a boot repair. Instructions are available online. This will get rid of the Linux boot manager in use and replace it with Windows’. Then, within Windows 10, use the disk manager to delete the Linux partition and format/resize as you see fit, or use a Linux LiveCD/LiveDVD/LiveUSB and use Linux partition management software, e.g. GParted.

      If you erased the Windows 10 partition when installing Linux, there is no getting it back. You will need either the Windows installation media, if you installed it yourself, and then to reinstall Windows. Or you will need to obtain and follow the computer manufacturer’s instructions for reinstalling Windows, if the machine came with an OEM version of Windows.

      As far as Arch Linux goes… Arch has numerous positive qualities, but having better out-of-the-box hardware support isn’t one of them. If Ubuntu is having trouble, Arch is likely going to be a nightmare. If you really want to give Arch a shot, without fighting it, try Manjaro. It’s based on Arch, but has an Ubuntu/Mint level of auto-configuration and ease-of-use. Otherwise, openSUSE or Fedora would be one to try. A lot of easy, self-configuring distributions are based on Debian and Ubuntu, which is itself based on Debian. If something is a problem on Ubuntu, it’s unlikely other Debian distros are going to magically fix everything. Possible, but unlikely IMO. OpenSUSE and Fedora both have their own cores distinct from Debian, while still being pretty good with auto-configuration and hardware support. I have had many computers where either Ubuntu (and its derivatives) didn’t work, but openSUSE did, or vice versa.

      In short, if you’re going to try Linux distros to make everything work nicely out-of-the-box, I’d recommend:

      1.) Ubuntu or Mint
      2.) openSUSE
      3.) Manjaro
      4.) Fedora

      If none of those 4 work beautifully out-of-the-box, it’s unlikely any distro will, and you’ll need to dig into the nuts and bolts of the operating system to fix it. Googling and Linux forums will be your friend.

      • BS detection service

        Usually operating systems are preinstalled in average Joe computer and everything works out-of-the-box.

          • BS detection service

            Initial post: “Today, to the chagrin of Linux fanboys everywhere, I will explore the other side of the issue with 11 reasons the average desktop user would want to avoid Linux.”

            I don’t see how average desktop user need to care how things works out-of-the-box. Everything works and computer vendor is responsible to issues.

            And for this question: “Please! Help me! I installed ubuntu with no option to go back to windows 10 and this machine is just running hot and slower! WHAT DO I DO NOW!?”

            You can install the computer original operating system. I expect that you have backups. If not, you can contact to your computer vendor to get spare part operating system if some modified image is required. Of course it cost something but it is business to send installation media when user neglets backups and data gets corrupted in hard drive by any reason.

  142. Scott Williamson

    I quite enjoy using Ubuntu. It’s a large learning curve especially for an old timer. Oh yes, don’t I feel like a member of a very selective, socially quarantined club of elites when I explain how “I don’t bother with MS Windows anymore”. How impressed some people are. They will ask “What does your computer use?” and I proudly tell them about Tux looking after all my needs. Right then, enough BS. The fact is I do like much of what I get with Ubuntu but no one can honestly suggest that this is as easy to use as Windows. At my age I’m damned lucky to remember if I ate breakfast or not never mind sudo apt or whatever. Whilst I do like the idea of not currently contributing to Bill Gates & Co. absolutely everything was so much easier to use for those of us with no interest in “How It Works”. I’ll save that portion of my brain for my 1987 3/4 ton pick-up. I have no doubt that those with a desire to tweak their OS gain a great deal of satisfaction from being able to accomplish that and rightly so. With MS Win. 7 just about everything was one or two clicks on the mouse to get done. Not particularly a lot of autonomy for me but I never wanted to play around with a computer for hours trying to get it to tasks various ways. I just want my PC to get on with the task at hand. There are some of us dolts out here ya know. It’s kinda like my refrigerator, I just want it to keep my beer cold, I don’t give a damn how it does it. Now stay with me here because this is going somewhere. My needs on a PC are somewhat minimal I suspect considering much of what I read on here. Do my banking, listen to streaming radio, emails, youtube and perhaps scan a photograph once on a while to send to a friend. Ah, yes! That’s exactly what brought me here. I actually tried to do a scan to computer today, you can feel where this is going, right? Precisely, not going to happen any time soon is it? Oh, Ubuntu did tell me my HP Photosmart was there alright but did it even offer me a button to “Scan to computer”? Nope. Now keep in mind here, I’ve told you I like using Ubuntu for some varying reasons and I do but could it be too much to ask that something that I became used to in Windows should be so complicated here? My guess is, I’ll never get that picture scanned. At some point down the road I see myself getting a new machine with Windows. Why do that? Remember the beer? I have no desire to help Gates get any wealthier so here is my offering: Those of you that have the smarts and desire to make this Linux thing a tad easier (actually, a lot easier) for us dolts to get along with, why not do it? You don’t have to give up your programming doors, just install some idiot buttons. Why bother to try and appease some old bugger that likely won’t be around all that long? Simple. You just might contribute to Linux becoming the number one used OS ever. Think about it, Bill Gates having to dip into his savings account for a change instead of being paid every minute because someone had to buy his Windows because the alternatives were too complicated. Alright, I’m almost done. I like Ubuntu, I like Windows (7 at least) but if this is going to survive, it will need a much larger part of the market share to be BIG !

    • BS detection service.

      You probably look scan button from wrong place. Ubuntu is not to mimic how Windows works. It is opposite, Windows mimic how Ubuntu works because Ubuntu is more standard-like platform.

      Ubuntu is most popular in public cloud so there is no need any larger part of market share.

      • Kelo

        >Windows mimic how Ubuntu works because Ubuntu is more standard-like platform.

        HAHAHA. There are no standards in Linux. That’s why something works on one distro and not the other.

        • BS detection service

          There is unix architecture Ubuntu and same unix architecture is used about everyhere.

          If something works in NetBSD that does not work in Windows. Remember that all non-Linux distros are same collective unit.

          • Ken

            Literally does not matter. Try running something compiled for one distro on different one 😉

    • Brendon Green

      I get what you’re saying about the scanner, and I don’t want to say it’s wrong to want a simple button that scans an image using sensible default settings and saves it into a JPEG file so it can be attached to an email (perhaps “simple-scan” can address your use case?).

      However, the reality is that scanners are rather complex, finicky devices that quite often need tweaking (and patience) in order to get the best possible result for a given image. Therefore, the more common use-case is to scan the image directly into a photo editing program such as GIMP, where it can then be post-processed before finally being saved into an appropriate format. The usual workflow here is to open the program in which you want to use the image (e.g. GIMP or LibreOffice), and then use its commands to acquire the image from the scanner.

  143. Ahmad

    I use the three OSs and here is my take:
    I am an constructional engineer who happened to do programming as a hobby, I write code in C++, Java and do android development sometimes. My point is:
    1- as an engineer I use AutoCAD, Revit, Blender, 3DsMAX and Rhino/Grasshopper all of which work with their full performance on windows exclusively. AutoCAD sucks on OSX, Blender works on three of them but if you wanna do rendering with CUDA forget it, it’s windows only. and yes there is Rhino on OSX but no Grasshopper (actually no plugins) what is the point?? lastly try to get 3DsMAX/V-Ray work on anything other than windows. WHY ON EARTH APPLE STOPPED PUTTING NVIDIA IN THEIR SYSTEMS!!!
    2- as a programmer yes you get JDK by default on Linux but then first thing I do is uninstall it and install it again from oracle but that’s just me. The same with gcc. and I know many people hate it but for me Visual Studio CE is my go to choice of IDE to write C++ plus you can write DirectX which again IMHO has better performance and less complicated than OpenGL, one more thing I am trying to dive into Parallel Computing which is again CUDA!!. My point is VSCE for me at least is by far better IDE/Debugger than Code::Blocks, X-Code, Eclipse, Netbeans….. etc.
    3- To be fair the only thing that have been working flawlessly on Linux is Android Studio, as the emulator is lightning fast comparing to Windows and OSX.
    4- I love Linux as OS and still using it from time to time and I tried many of the distros. Tweaking your operating system as you want is awesome and I hate as surely many here, Windows, with all the garbage that you cannot get rid off. But with Windows and OSX I don’t find my self spending more time solving hardware issues than programming. And I am pretty sure that if you own a business or you are working with corps, you will find yourself using Windows anyway. yes software is not free, but it is professional and get the job done.

    • alex

      hey, totally agree with you. I study CS and it happened that i started to use debian as my exclusive os now. Just because win 7 started to run slow on my 2008-lenovo notebook. And before i actually never bothered so much with tweaking the system, for me i didnt care about the os, as long it works fine. (like you said, one of the first things i did was remove ojdk and install oracle’s version).
      Although for study and trying many different programming languages, linux is great.

      PS: Apple stopped put Nvidia in their devices is because apple stopped care about making good products…I actually considered get the latest mb pro retina; because as i mentioned my current machine is from 2008!….but omg that new macbook – such a piece of crap :/

      • Ahmad

        Totally agree!! That touch bar replacing function keys killed it for me, who told apple that is no one uses them anymore. And FGS I want physical esacpe key. Also not a big fan of the butterfly keyboard. That said, it is the sexiest looking laptop ever made.

  144. Jon

    Yep, it’s not changed much. Nice newish laptop, latest Linux Mint distro. Installs fine and runs great from a USB stick. Except it doesn’t list the available wireless networks, and when I do connect, OMFG is it slow. So, back to dislike it intensely, but at least it works and I have to use it at work so hey, Windows 10 🙁 I’d move to Linux in a shot if things like this, which are SO effing basic were fixed. But no, in squabbles mean we’re still where we were last time I tried to bail out of the Windows infrastructure.

    • BS detection service.

      Did you complaint to computer vendor? It is not acceptable to sell preinstalled Linux Mint computer what does not work.

  145. BS detection service.

    Linux has nothing to do with this article. Ubuntu, KDE, OpenOffice whatever you mentioned are different products.

        • Kurtis

          Based on that Ubuntu is a Linux distro, KDE is a Linux desktop Interface, and Open Office is Linux software. Which makes me wonder if you are actually sure what Linux is.

          • plebs

            “OpenOffice is Linux software”
            What are you talking about? OpenOffice is an open source application, not limited to Linux, certainly not “Linux Software”.
            LibreOffice is miles ahead of OpenOffice these days, and very usable.

          • BS detection service.

            Ubuntu is Canonical’s distro and not dependent on Linux. KDE is user interface and it is also from different organization. KDE is not Ubuntu’s interface. OpenOffice is Apache Foundation’s application and it is not used by Canonical.

            It seems that you do not know what is the Linux if you imagine that totally independent organizations and products are related to it.

    • Brendon Green

      You’re arguing pedantics. Yes, technically Linux refers only the kernel. Yes, KDE and OpenOffice have no relation to GNU/Linux other than the fact they can run on it. But the experience of using “Linux” on a desktop computer is to view all those disparate and unrelated products together as one collective unit.

      • BS detection service.

        That depends on operating system. There is no KDE in Ubuntu desktop and no OpenOffice in ChromeOS desktop. Different software from different vendors are not one collective unit.

        Or is NetBSD one collective unit with Windows? They are very similar to each other because Linux is missing from both.

    • John Morris

      Pedantically, you are mostly correct. Many of the constructive criticisms are not of the Linux kernel, which is, in the strictest, most literal sense, what “Linux” refers to.

      However, holding to that strict of a definition of Linux makes it nearly impossible to have realistic conversations regarding – I’m not sure how to describe it without generalizing too much – “the GNU/Linux ecosystem, and typical included software, as found in the most popular distributions for casual use on a home or light-office work PC with a relatively default configuration and state, as utilized by a casual user, e.g., limited terminal use.”

      This reaches a humorous level of impracticality almost immediately. I have never seen, in casual conversation, that level of detail applied. Instead, people typically use “GNU/Linux,” or, more typically, simply “Linux.” This includes the chief architect, founder, and primary maintainer of the Linux kernel, Linus Torvalds. In conversation, it is then left up to the reader to determine the scope intended based on the context.

      If this is unacceptable, then everywhere I use the word Linux in the article above, unless clearly referencing the kernel, substitute the quoted description above, or your own, if you have a more accurate one.

      • BS detection service

        Only sane way for conversation is to talk operating systems, like Android, ChromeOS, Debian, FreeBSD, iOS, Mac OS, OpenBSD, QNX, Red Hat Enterprise, Ubuntu, Suse Enterprise, Windows..

        Or keep conversation in kernels if you like to compare them. There is no single “Linux ecosystem or GNU/Linux ecoystem”, Linux is just one building block used by many ecosystems.

        Major ecosystems fo consumers are something like… Apple, Canonical, Google and Microsoft. Most of ecosystems are for business.

        It is pointless to drag some hobbyist stuff to conversation. Hardly anyone “average Joe” uses Linux Mint. Or developer stuff like openSuse.

        • John Morris

          “Only sane way for conversation is to talk operating systems, like Android, ChromeOS, Debian, FreeBSD, iOS, Mac OS, OpenBSD, QNX, Red Hat Enterprise, Ubuntu, Suse Enterprise, Windows..”

          No, it’s not the only sane way. While the precise definition of operating system and where the boundaries are is fuzzy, GNU/Linux is generally considered the operating system. That is, the Linux kernel paired with GNU tools make up the operating system. On top of the GNU/Linux operating system, additional software and configurations are layered to form a distribution of the GNU/Linux operating system. These are different distributions of the same operating system. While there are differences between most distributions, many, many generalizations about one distribution still carry over perfectly to the others. If you combine the distribution and a desktop environment or window manager, the differences between the operating systems are hardly noticeable, outside of a few minor software choices, e.g. the package manager. Therefore, due to this extreme level of similarity, high-level, generalized conversations group these distributions together unless it is specifically mentioned otherwise.

          “Or keep conversation in kernels if you like to compare them. There is no single “Linux ecosystem or GNU/Linux ecoystem”, Linux is just one building block used by many ecosystems.
          Major ecosystems fo consumers are something like… Apple, Canonical, Google and Microsoft. Most of ecosystems are for business.”

          It’s very interesting to debate people when they both invent their own definitions for words and refuse to acknowledge the uses of other words in colloquial language.

          noun: ecosystem; plural noun: ecosystems; noun: eco-system; plural noun: eco-systems

          1. a biological community of interacting organisms and their physical environment.
          2. (in general use) a complex network or interconnected system.

          noun: Linux
          1. an operating system, based on UNIX, that runs on many different hardware platforms and whose source code is available to the public.

          Using this definition of ecosystem, common Linux distributions are part of an ecosystem. They mostly rely upon the same core software collections from the kernel all the way to the display server. At which point, a handful of windowing systems and/or desktop environments are plopped on top with some other default software and a software management scheme. These distributions are, of course, not identical; however, the level of overlap and similarities are so great that one can easily generalize a great deal about them as a collective unit.

          As such, the VAST majority of people refer to this generalized collection as Linux, despite Linux technically only being the kernel. A smaller subset prefer GNU/Linux. You are quite literally the only person to have commented who has not clearly grasped this generalization concept, even among those excoriating the article’s content and personally attacking me. Further, you are arguing this point, which does have some truth to it, far past absurdity.

          It is pointless to drag some hobbyist stuff to conversation. Hardly anyone “average Joe” uses Linux Mint. Or developer stuff like openSuse.

          Wait… what? Part of that doesn’t even make sense, and the rest is blatantly untrue and errored.

          • BS detection service

            “While the precise definition of operating system and where the boundaries are is fuzzy, GNU/Linux is generally considered the operating system. That is, the Linux kernel paired with GNU tools make up the operating system.”

            Wrong, operating system definition is very clear. However, it has double definition.

            The common definition what people use is that software top of real or virtualized hardware where you install applications, delete files and in general where user manage resources. It is clear that APIs and user interfaces are included in that entity. Example, CentOS is operating system by this definition and Linux is kernel of this operating system.

            Other, less used definition is the software top of hardware where that manages all hardware resources. This definition is used by some kernel developers, computer scientists and some geeks. These folks may say that the operating system is Linux. Of course MacOS is “distro”.

            “While there are differences between most distributions, many, many generalizations about one distribution still carry over perfectly to the others.”

            Some operating systems are more standard like, “unix architecture”. However, different operating systems have different features. You did not tell what operating system you mean when you wrote “11 reasons”.

            “Therefore, due to this extreme level of similarity, high-level, generalized conversations group these distributions together unless it is specifically mentioned otherwise. ”

            Therefore, due to this extreme level of incompatibility, high-level, generalized conversations gorup Non-Linux distributions together unless it is specifically mentioned otherwise.

            “As such, the VAST majority of people refer to this generalized collection as Linux, despite Linux technically only being the kernel.”

            VAST majority of people refer Windows 10 as “distro”, part of Non-Linux generalization, one collective unit of group of extremely incompatible distros.

            “Wait… what? Part of that doesn’t even make sense, and the rest is blatantly untrue and errored.”

            I’ve been selling computers and support for a living and almost no one uses operating systems devoid of decent support organization. And no one will not sell computer that you can not support properly.

            There is clear pattern that there are companies that makes technology for consumers too: Apple, Canonical, Google and Microsoft. Then there are Blackberry, IBM, Oracle, Red Hat, Suse etc. who don’t care about consumers.

            Many operating systems have free version aimed for developers and testing, using latest technology from tech company ecosystem. Example: Fedora, openSuse, Solaris Express, Windows 10 insider and of course those rapid 6 month Ubuntu releases.

            Another group is community driven operating sytems like Debian, FreeBSD, OpenBSD etc. who has strong support from their users. Lots of companies, developers, money, users etc. resources. There is big difference between Mint and Debian. If some of Debian developer dies, customers are not affected. If some of Mint developer dies that almost certainly affects to customers.

            So I don’t see how it is meaningful to group together varius organizations products which are made to different uses and what is errored if I say that almost no average Joe uses other than Apple, Canonical, Google and Microsoft technology?

            DIY geeks may install developer oriented operating system or some Linux Mint but those are rare. They are not expected to call help. They are expected to solve their issues themselves. This is also true in Debian but it has execptional strong community that I do have made some Debian installations and I know that these don’t cause me unnecessary work. It’s good for old computers.

  146. dave

    All I know is, I put Gallium OS on an HP Stream notebook, and the j key stopped working. Works sometimes. And I lost Internet, b/c I could not get the wifi dongle driver modules built. Reminds me of standing under my horribly leaky new skylight with the roofer telling me, “It’s a really good roof, though.”
    I’ve got a very fast computer now. I just can’t get on internet, or perform any function that requires a J. 🙂

  147. Av3ryFr33m4n

    I love Linux, but I do wish there was more cohesion in the developer community. Why can’t everyone just decide to back the DE that *I* like (Cinnamon)? Or at least, abandon a few others and get behind it … I have to say, I was really heartened to see it available by default in Debian 8. Maybe there’s hope yet!

  148. james

    It’s great for a normal pc user who wants to use the internet, check emails safely and buy shit, if your some specialist who needs specialist software look elsewhere’

  149. Sven Arends

    You fotgot one major thing. Linux (for home or semipro use) works well only on cheap low-end hardware. I use linux for 10 years now, I have never seen it work well on an high-end pc with multiplecore cpu´s and or high-end videocards.

  150. mfofana

    I don’t agree with reason 4. The competition between the desktop managers. Gnome 3 is too buggy. As an example, you can’t use IBM SPSS with Gnome 3 but you can use it with XFCE. Why ? Because, if you want to use SPSS, you have reduce the size of the software window and center it in your screen. Without that you can’t use the menu bar, where you have File… If you click on it, it will appear and disapper automatically. So the software is not usable.
    Each desktop manager has is strongs and its weakness.
    I use Linux on a laptop, not in dualboot. I have the a virtual machine inside it for Microsoft Office 2013.
    For the other reasons, I can agree. Great post !
    Have a nice day.

    • BS detection service

      Most operating systems focus on single desktop environment so it is actually competition between operating systems, not desktop environments.

  151. Ryan Jentzsch

    Your attempt at a preemptive defence pretty much tells me that you will be deaf to any criticism (constructive or not), but I’ll put my 2 cents in anyway. I’ve been developing software for over 25 years and know a thing or two. I like Linux more than other OSes but realize all technology has their flowers and warts. Linux isn’t for everyone and neither is Mac or Windows.

    #1 It doesn’t have to be complicated. I’ve spent enough time on the phone or internet with Microsoft technical support to say that Windows suffers from complexity as well. I recommend my friends who are new to Linux install Linux Mint. It has a Win-like UI shell ala Cinnamon.
    #2 Popularity !== Good (“Microsoft isn’t evil. They just make crappy operating systems.”)
    #3 All applications evolve (for better or worse) or die. Use Linux Mint if you are new to Linux. (See #1)
    #4 You answered your own question as to why so many different shells? Because Unity is ugly and buggy as hell. Once again if you are new to Linux install Linux Mint it uses Cinnamon or Mate (doesn’t matter). I recommend Cinnamon.
    #5 You obviously have never tried to get a lower end wireless adapter to work on Windows. Same problem. I do agree that Linux has less support in this area but it has improved — If Nvidia would follow their own specs it wouldn’t be such a nerve racking endeavor to install a new Nvidia graphics driver.
    #6 Agree with you there. You can blame systemd for most of this problem.
    #7 With the exception of a very few Linux alternatives to applications are just as good or better. Try Open Shot for video editing for example. Not only better but free.
    #8 Agree with you. Getting better but has some distance to travel.
    #9 This is the strength and weakness of ANY open source app. I agree with you, but I disagree on the degree of suckyness perhaps. Open source does not mean that no one makes money.
    #10 Blame the insane international and US copyright and IP laws for this crap not Linux.
    #11 Find me a forum that is all sweetness and light for Windows, Mac, or Linux (doesn’t exist) — Although Linux and Mac forums are the most sanctimonious and pompous.

    • John Morris

      The preemptive defense was because I was fully aware of the hate mail and appalling comments I would receive for writing an article of this nature. It turns out I was right. Respectfully disagreeing and constructive commenters like yourself have been exceedingly rare. I mostly get enthusiastic support and general agreement or insanely rude personal attacks. There isn’t much middle-ground.

      I agree that all the OSes have flaws. As I stated in the article, I like Linux as well. I use it extensively, alongside Windows. I’ve never been a big fan of Macs, and therefore don’t mess with the operating system nearly as much, but it does have it’s desirable qualities over the others. However, this is a Linux oriented website, and therefore the article discussed Linux, not the other OSes. Were it a Windows or Mac website, I would have written a similar article with criticisms of those.

      In reply to #5 and #10, it doesn’t matter who or what is to blame, it ultimately reflects poorly on Linux and makes Linux usage frustrating. These problems do not exist with nearly this magnitude on other leading operating systems, so there exists some solution out there. It might not be feasible (e.g. force NVIDIA to support all their stuff on Linux as well as they do on Windows), but it is a problem plaguing Linux more than any other major consumer operating system.

      As to low end wireless cards on Windows, yes, I have. Those same wireless cards that caused Linux to choke, as well as a variety of others, worked great. Most were/are auto-detected and installed without any input from me. A few others required drivers from the manufacturer. But, ultimately, they’ve all worked flawlessly in the end, save for one. This one holdout does not start properly on boot, and refuses to find or connect to networks. This is resolved by disabling and enabling the card within the Windows network adapter page, which I automated with a PowerShell script that runs on boot. Windows is not without problems, but most consumer PC hardware was made to work on Windows, so problems are less common and less far-reaching. Again, this isn’t Linux’s fault, but it reflects poorly on Linux and contributes to frustration with Linux.

      #1: I recommend Mint as well, and Cinnamon is an excellent desktop environment. As far as complication, however, user-friendly distributions, such as Mint, have a thin veneer of user-friendliness. When it works, things are great. However, Linux requires dropping beneath the friendly veneer far more often than Windows or Mac. For the average computer user, the moment a command prompt or terminal needs opening, things cross into being “complicated.” Complexity with Windows and Macs follows a gradual upwards trajectory depending on the severity of the problem. Linux’s complexity curve is far more jagged and quick to ascend.

      When everything works, all the operating systems are fine. When they don’t, Linux has a greater tendency to require more underlying knowledge and utilize more complicated techniques.

      But that’s when you have it installed. It gets complicated long before that. As a person new to Linux, and not overly familiar with the underpinnings of how computers do what they do, Linux is a nightmare. Which Linux distribution to get? 32-bit or 64-bit? Burn an ISO image? LiveCD/DVD/USB? What do you mean choose a desktop environment? Swap space? Mount points? Hostnames? ARGH!

      Linux expects you to know what you’re doing. Only a very select few distros will guide you through some of that gently. But installing Fedora or Debian requires an impressive amount of knowledge to obtain, prepare, start, install, and then use it.

      Windows and macOS guide you gently, if you haven’t purchased a computer pre-loaded with it.

      #2: This wasn’t about popularity. This was about support. Alone means it’s more difficult to get help.

      #3: Evolution is fine, but Linux likes to jump species. If I sat a Windows or Mac user from 15 years ago down in front of the current version of their operating system with the current version of their primary software, they would feel relatively at home. Sure, there are differences, new features, slight changes, et cetera. But their is a level of continuity to the design and evolution of the core software and tools that keeps people from ever getting too lost.

      In contrast, a recent distribution upgrade broke all my startup scripts (thanks systemd) and adding them back is now a completely different procedure. Wayland and Mir devastate my multi-monitor setups that were very painful to get working, and getting them working in the new ecosystem is completely different. Ubuntu trashed Gnome 2 for Unity, and other distros for Gnome 3.

      Evolution is a slow gradual change. Linux often forgets the slow and gradual part.

      #4: Competition is not the problem, POINTLESS competition is the problem. As much as I like Cinnamon, XFCE with the whisker menu and appropriate panel arrangement is nearly identical in ability and appearance. Why start Cinnamon instead of using XFCE? Now there are two nearly identical desktop environments in widespread use, with little underlying overlap, that must both be actively maintained, both rolled into variants and packages for a variety of distributions, and both maintain their 3rd party communities of themes and applets and support. This sucks.

      #7: Off the top of my head, Microsoft Office and Photoshop, two heavily used software sets, have no equivalent in Linux. LibreOffice and OpenOffice are acceptable for writing a few letters, doing some simple math on data sets, and putting up a bulleted list of presentations. However, when it comes time to more complex operations, they fail miserably. When opening or altering complex documents/spreadsheets/presentations, LibreOffice is likely to break the layout and formatting. GIMP is good for small to mid-size photo edits (I use GIMP because I cannot justify paying for Photoshop and I don’t need it), and can do an astonishing amount of photo editing. But Photoshop is more powerful, faster, more intuitive, and better when you do a lot of heavy photo editing. It’s not that LibreOffice and GIMP are bad, it’s that they are the peak of the Linux software heap, and they aren’t as good as what’s available for macOS and Windows.

      As for Open Shot, I don’t do any extensive video editing, so I can’t make that judgment. All I know is it’s not Open Shot used in industry, and none of those people I know or know of who do video editing do it in Linux, even if they use Linux regularly. They’ll fire up their Macs, or, in a pinch, their Windows OS.

      I do know that as a mechanical engineering student, I must use Windows. It’s simply not feasible not to. If Linux were my main OS, I’d have to have a Windows dual-boot, Windows VM (which has significant performance and usage implications), or use the lab computers. This bites because before I got into the mechanical engineering specific classes, I rocked a Linux distribution as my primary OS on my laptop and liked it. But I had to put Windows on it, so I simply clobbered Linux. I’ve since upgraded to a laptop upon which Linux is unusable anyway due to hardware support problems (hello #5).

      All the other points we seem to agree on for the most part.

      • BS detection service

        Your article should empasize that all issues and flaws are only in your operating systems “Linux” and do not generally apply to Android, CentOS, Mac OS, Ubuntu LTS or anything that people normally use.

  152. frustrated linux user

    Great write up. I agree with you that Linux sucks most of the time. If you are not a programmer and won’t learn programming then you’re pretty much screwed if you want to use linux. I have been using various linux distro’s and usually stick to debian stable or sid, but always end up back with Microsoft Windows. When I have an issue in debian or Arch it can take me hours to solve a simple issue that I never get when I’m using Windows.

    The worst part is having to rely on the community. There are great people then there are the ones that make you never want to try ask for help every again because you can’t figure out how to ask the right question. So they make you feel like your stupid.

    My biggest issue right now is of course wanting to be bleeding edge. I’m pissed off right now because chromium broke on my debian sid box again after an update. Then find out someone forgot to put a “” quote on something. Really guys? You know thousands of people are relying on you for this. I fixed that, then an official patch fixed it, but now I can’t load extensions without running chromium from the command line with a bunch of arguments and so far no fix until I guess next update. So not using chrome for now. Never once had chrome break in Windows.

    I do a lot projects using raspberry pi, banana pi, odroid boards and the learning curve is terrible. I hate how odroid makes you use Ubuntu and an old version at that. Then use raspbian on raspberry pi which is debian, but of course it different from ubuntu on odroid so my scripts won’t work on both. Works fine on a x86 pc between ubuntu and debian. whatever… Thank god I found Armbian which has made things more unified between arm hardware.

    My main point is that I spend way too much time trying to fix things in linux making me very unproductive. Linux used to be fun and exiting, but having the damn thing break every other update unless I’m using debian stable just sucks. I hate using debian stable as a desktop and sometimes as a server because it has such old packages that a lot of times I have to compile from source to get the latest because there’s a feature that debian stable won’t include for another year and I have to use that feature to run my server. I’ve been on Redhat, Mandrake (old school), Slackware, Debian, Gentoo, Arch and I always end up going back to Windows to be productive and not spend hours on hours fixing something that honestly shouldn’t be broken. So much easier to diagnose and fix windows than it is any linux distro.

    Linux makes me hate technology sometimes. If it’s so fast and stable and everything else, then why the hell does it keep breaking. I know linux is just the kernel and most everyone including me relates linux to the entire user experience. You have to be rainman to use it properly. I go to some linux developer meetings and it’s full of the most anti social guys you’ll ever meet, but not afraid to be keyboard gangsters online.

    • BS detection service.

      Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Gentoo, Slackware, Red Hat, Mandrake whatever you mentioned are different products. They don’t have to be similar.

      Windows is not exception. There is similar issues in Windows 10 insider like there is in Debian testing. Also you can’t install latest Internet Exporer 11 to Windows 2000.

      The issue is you. You consciously choose software that is still in development (beta versions, testing, unstable etc.), not a ready product.

      • Brendon Green

        I tend to agree. Debian Stable is rock solid and (generally) bug free. It gets that way precisely because of the multitude of testing that goes on as packages progress from upstream to unstable to testing. Despite all this testing, though, not even Debian is immune to major bugs; consider, for example, that ntfs-3g (the Linux NTFS filesystem driver) was completely broken for most of Debian Wheezy’s lifetime.

        The biggest problem I have with running Debian Stable as a desktop OS is that the software that is distributed with it quickly becomes very outdated, which tends to make rapidly evolving productivity software (such as LibreOffice, Eclipse, Inkscape, GIMP, and even Firefox) almost completely useless to the end user.

        • BS detection service

          Well, I don’t think that Debian users/developers use NTFS. Debian is made by its users to its users. I did install Debian 7 in some boxes and I always used default ext4.

          I don’t see how the software becomes outdated. LibreOffice, Gimp, Firefox and Incscape are all fully usable. Eclipse may be exception because toolchain for productive development may require specific version of IDE. All versions in Eclipse can be downloaded from eclipse.org so I don’t see issue here.

          • Ken

            >LibreOffice, Gimp, Firefox and Incscape are all fully usable
            In your head maybe.

  153. Rosen Aleksandrov

    I cannot agree with you in all your opinions.
    They looks like a Windows fanboy opinions, and they’re too far away from the reallity.
    Windows isn’t faster like Linux, isn’t stable like Linux, isn’t secure like Linux, isn’t flexible like Linux (Same for OS X)
    With Linux you can do anything which you been wroten as impossible in Linux.

    • Rosen Aleksandrov

      And more.
      Your opinion about Linux Support is just piece of shit.
      Windows and Mac Support are all the time terrible and unfriendly.
      In Linux you have the biggest community in world.
      And in forums or IRC you can contact directly with some of Linux Distrubutions developers, and you’ll get perfect support for free!
      Where is your Windows and OS X now ? You wont get support like that for free.
      You have to pay for crappy support. And they wouldn’t mind to tell you how to fix in future if happens again.

      • Danny

        I don’t know what the heck you’re talking about. i have had nothing but friendly customer support for both os and I haven’t ever heard otherwise from anyone else. Also whats this about not being free? This is just a show of desperation from people who feel like an insult on linux is an insult on themselves. Starting your argument by insulting people by is what makes me conclude that .I’ve started using linux recently because many people tell me it’s better for developers( am comsci student) and I’m starting to doubt that. Yeah it’s great that I can reach out to a developer or the entire community for an issue but that doesn’t matter when i have as many issues out of the box than I would have with using any other os for a lifetime. Yeah the os is lightwieght but really inconvinient in a lot of cases that just makes me switch immediately back to windows when I’m done with linux.

      • Carl

        Linux communities are one of the most toxic ones you’ll ever find. Your post is perfect example.

        • Scott Williamson

          This almost sums it up for me. I’m quite old and computers are a late show up in my life. This doesn’t make me stupid, at least I am willing to try new ways of getting things done. I can look at most machines be they husbandry or anything else mechanical and give a fairly good explanation of what is happening from input to out put but computers are a very different game. ie. no moving parts. If I ask a question that means I am trying to learn something new. It doesn’t mean that I am asking some smart Alec to berate me for not already knowing, which has happened more than once. Linux is probably good in many distros compared to Windows from a self reliant point and thus some Linux supporters might consider being a little more understanding and welcoming to those less educated in such tech in order to build a large following of users. This in itself could go a very long way to to disturb the MS Widows dominance. I personally love not having Windows on my PC but there are many times I am tempted to just reload the pricey demon just to be able to plug in a scanner for instance and have it work. I learned many decades ago, if you are a member of a small group within a very large group, don’t go pissing the rest off, it is a sure way to disappear unnoticed.

    • citizenconfidential

      I agree. Linux is for people that like the diy side of technology and you’ll reap the benefits if you’re not lazy. I would admit, to the scorn of linux purist, that learning to program/ or develop ONLY in Linux is a bad idea unless you want to be a Systems Admin or IT prof that only works with linux systems. I’m studying computer programming and I try to balance learning in a Linux and a Windows environment as to not limit my skill set to something that is free (got kids to feed). Linux is more of a hobby and passion (and can be addicting like crack). Arch Linux is the best distro and it’s developer community is on fire updating the software on an *literally* hourly basis. You can easily update through your terminal anytime without skipping a beat. (and honestly all the sally-sob stories you can read about Arch are ridiculous. Arch is relatively easy to install and maintain, you just have to break away from a M$ Windoze mindset of “learned helplessness.”) But to each his own, however I will say the GNU/Richard Stallman thing is, IMHO, completely stupid. They cry on their website about Arch being “non-free” when it’s free to download, total morons.

        • Scott Williamson

          Running both Windows and Ubuntu is how I got started. This gave me a gentle intro to Ubuntu where I could fall back to Windows when I got stuck by my lack of understanding of Ubuntu. This worked great until Windows 7 got so slow I couldn’t even get updates, I’m talking here 3 days running updates and still nothing. Microsoft Windows is like getting a new pair of shoes and wearing them to the point that they finally get real comfortable then MS comes into my house, takes those shoes and drops off another new pair needing to be broken in again. Windows 95, 98, XP, Vista, Win 7. I really did and still do like 7 but no more support so it was time to totally drop MS and install Ubuntu as the only OS. What I have read here pretty much tells me that practically everyone using some rendition of Linux are light years ahead of me for OS comprehension. Remember, I’m a Windows user so you will readily understand my difficulty with Ubuntu. I have managed to get a little learning done thanks to the community help I’ve found which usually means a lot of copy/paste to the terminal and then holding my breath hoping I chose the correct answer. The flip side to that being there have been more than enough smarmy, demeaning remarks to my questions and that after clearly explaining that I have next to no understanding of computers. I’m 66 now and spent my life driving semi truck, tankers to be specific and that is a very specialized facet of that industry, not always mastered by even well seasoned drivers. I wouldn’t speak down to anyone just because they lacked the knowledge that I had acquired over 55 years. I would in fact be pleased to have the opportunity to pass some part of my learning on. Keep the learning curve moving. That helps to build a better educated society. It is I believe one’s duty to pass along knowledge that you learned from someone else and with that added yours to it. It can be quite disheartening when I come up against someone who would rather give me a “I am just so knowledgeable and you must be so dumb” attitude rather than an answer that would help. You know, even Einstein had to start by adding 2+2. We all had a start point and this is mine. I won’t say Linux sucks but I will say “It ain’t easy”.

  154. Michael Foster

    The article you wrote was a pretty accurate assessment of the state of the Linux world.I feel your pain. I’ve been using Linux almost exclusively for 15 years and have found a solution to most of the shortcomings you list here.After installing and trying maybe three dozen different distros in three dozen different release cycles,I found the one distro that was right for me.Currently, I’m using Linux Mint 17.3 LTS with the Cinnamon desktop.The number one reason is stability. Linux Mint has the right balance between bleeding edge and stability for me.My OS is not the stock version,I’ve tweaked it to what I wanted that’s the beauty of GNU/Linux. I’ve installed chrome,docker,virtualbox,sublime text,brackets, mongoDB, sql, nodejs, nginx, apache, and I’ve even installed visual studio from Microsoft for using typescript. As far as the software goes, yes some of it is old and doesn’t come up to the same standards as paid Windows versions, but things are improving all the time. You can do CAD/CAM in the cloud these days.Try this http://caelinux.com/CMS/ ,it looks pretty good to me.

  155. Harold Kuntz

    I like what you wrote John. I’m a hobbyist only and use a Macbook Pro as my main computer. I’ve used computers since 1999 and got into unix because I heard MacOS was going that way. Then got into Linux.
    Tried SusePPC way back then and those germans sure had it documented well. I got 5 cds and a book for a reasonable price. Got it in but I admit then I didn’t know much and that Windowmaker interface (which I had no idea what it was then) sure blew me away. Also it contributed to why I gave up on Linux. At that time computers were way above my head and today programming still can be.

    Recently, I’ve been learning C by myself and this platform (linux, BSD) are the best to do that on. I use MacOSX on a macbook pro as my main computer. I have a hobby computer with SparkyLinux, OpenBSD and TrueOS on 3 different HDDs. Each one has it’s difficulty. Graphical apps freeze or crash all the time.

    I guess my experiences directly line up with the reasons you give as to why it really sucks. Not only linux but BSD as well. Don’t get me wrong. I love BSDs. But I do hate graphics on them. It’d really be good if there were some cohesion in the communities to get things improved but as you stated, there are too many egos in the way and reading the comments here really reminded me of why I especially hate the “Linux Community” not Linux itself. What a bunch of retards that, for supposed nerds, cannot understand the English language with what you wrote. They are too stupid to understand their own language? Good thing they stick to their linux boxes. In the past I’ve asked questions to that community only to get curt little answers like I’m supposed to know as much as the do. Are these people retarded or something? I think they are. Someone needs help, you help them and give them knowledge and explain why it’s like that. Instead you get ignoramus immature ego instead. The BSD community is much more mature. I will never use these systems as my main computer. I’ll stick to my Mac. Hate Windows. Use Win7 at work and it sucks ass.

    That said, no matter Linux or BSD, graphics are a problem. The desktop is not quite ready on most of them. Too many hardware compatibility issues I guess. I may have to upgrade and put in a graphics card to enhance my motherboard and hope the graphical apps don’t keep on crashing. Wish me luck.

    One day maybe the Linux Community will be mature enough to get some basics improved but I’m already 50 so don’t expect to see it in my lifetime. Good Luck John. Thanks for a good article and the entertainment below it.

    • TC

      BSD -is- Unix, and it was BSD that created and implemented most of the protocols for the internet. That’s why you see -much- more maturity on the BSD side. Linux was a hack of Unix (BSD) by PC a ‘hobbyist’, who convinced a bunch of other annoying geeks to join him in a giant circle-jerk OS project via usenet.

      The Linux communisty is juvenile and ignorant of how most of people actually ‘work’ with computers. Publishers want Adobe InDesign, Photoshop, etc; engineers need Catia, Solidworks, AutoCAD, etc; Lawyers use sophisticated document applications which are designed for (yep) Windows… and yet, we don’t see anybody porting these applications for Linux. Just a bunch of geeks rehashing 200+ distros.

      Sure, a few corporations infused money, time, and expertise: e.g. Google co-opted it for their purposes. Specialized scientific apps (ported from Unix) can be found. But desktop usage in an office? DOA.

      Frankly, your best bet is to just learn how to code/compile C on your Mac, as OSX is built on BSD/Unix. It’s there, lurking beneath that nice GUI… do some digging and you’ll find the Unix goldmine in your MacBook.

  156. Frank

    Man I’m really trying to like Linux but they make it so damn hard to. Seriously took me an hour to figure out how to download and install 2 programs earlier. Same task takes 2 min on windows. When I boot up Linux I pretty much just stare at the welcome screen like duhhhh and there’s no help or manuals for anything.

    • Rosen Aleksandrov

      you joke!
      in Linux distro like most popular Ubuntu you can install any program just with one click in software center.
      In Windows and MAC this is just a wet dream.
      You have to search for cracked shits in google. And when you install Ubuntu from small 1GB iso you got preinstalled web browser torrent client music and video player office suite and etc, which you gonna search cracked in Windows or OS X.

      • Danny

        Lol whose the one joking? He means those downloaded from websites not those on the lackluster software center. It doesn’t really matter if I get a music client for 1gb with or video players because you’ll rarely use them.

      • Jack

        And when something isn’t there you have to compile it yourself since Linux developers are too high and mighty to provide .deb packages.

  157. Krush206

    In my honest opinion, the main reasons why Linux sucks is because of it’s terribles desktop environments and the X compositor

  158. dm73

    Good article that surmarises average user’s experience with linux.
    It’s too bad that a lot of people in linux communities do not feel that most of these are issues.
    I used to like linux and played with various distros ever since Slackware 1 came on 3 floppy disks.
    Around the time of Ubuntu 6 I even had most of my home machines running linux and it seemed that withing years the linux will be on par with Windows as far as ease of use goes and functionality.
    But this is there the linux curse struck.
    KDE and then Gnome decided to ditch their fully functional desktop environments and start a multi-year beta test with their user base. Other desktop environments where just not as good and it would take years before they got to the point where KDE 3 and Gnome 2 where when they killed off their working software.
    Then all of the other base software started changing so old documentation, fixes and workaround no longer worked and new ones were not available yet. I am talking about new init systems, new audio systems, udev, hal, X autoconfig, desktop launchers, networkmanager…can’t remember it all.
    Of course it was all done to address long standing issues…but what happend instead is that old issues were replaced with new issues that needed new and not yet existing workarounds.
    At the same time some of the very basic things on linux remain fundametally broken.
    Let me list few that I can remember:

    1. Shell (BASH but probably most of the other sells) does not correctly handle SPACE in path names.
    All of the greatnes and simplicty of linux shell simply disappears if you need to handle a space character in folder of file name. Even Windows CMD can do this without needing special external tools.

    2. SMB network handling is randomly broken from version to version.
    No this is not due to Windows changes, this is linux to linux. Every run of apt-get or yum or zypper will bring new set of issues. Linux OS does not handle networking and instead various user space libraries are used and depending on your desktop environment it could be that each application needs to know the network protocol you want to use. I mainly mention SMB as it is by far the most common LAN file sharing protocol used and understood by most devices.
    Do you think you can browse to a network share on NAS and play a vide using random desktop and video player?
    If it plays at all half the time the full 4GB file needs to be downloaded before playback starts.
    So large videos aside, other documents are not a problem. Except that they will be downloaded but will they be uploaded back? Who knows…what is that your version of whatever again?

    3. Backup
    Hundreds of programs that do not work well. Want to back up running system? I can create an image clone of Windows while it is running and restore it with recovery disk. Linux needs to be shut down first. Then you have to start a new distro which does not have correct drivers and where mouse pointer doesn’t quite work correctly. Saving the backup takes hours (vs 20-30min on Windows).Then try to restore this…same deal again and in the end the system does not boot, you need to search internet to find the current right command to rebuild MBR for your Grub v1.99a which no longer works the same as v1.98 which was used by your recovery software.
    Want to have a shared local or network folder to allow family members to store and organize their documents? Sure, and look they can see each other documents…but as soon as they organize them into folder the document and/or folder become read only for other users. Oh, don’t be a baby, just set up cron job to reset permissions hourly and all will be well. Until next update wipes your jobs, changes config file location or format or just removes the cron altogether as you should now be using *ron.

    4. Hardware support
    I have a 8 year old laptop where Windows (event v10) works OK but I would like to play with linux sometimes. Except that linux does not handle they keyboard correctly. Keys often get stuck repeating. Sure, just turn off the key repeat in your desktop config. But that does not work at login screen. Or in console. Oh, look, you can set the console config to separately to turn of key repeat…except those setting have been deprecated…and new ones do not yet exist. But you can run the program to configure this…except it’s not installed and version you need is not in official repos.
    Try some USB TV tuners…or don’t if you value your sanity.
    Any random printer/scanner you want to use? Nope, not with this version of CUPS. Here are some dirvers for OS 3 versions before yours…which depend on some random library that is no longer supported in this version of OS.
    But linux does run better on same supported hardware…except if you have eeePC with 2GB SSD and want to actually use it. eeePC comes with Windows XP which leaves just enough space for web browsing on a compressed drive. Even base XFCE enviroment which is almost as usable as Windows XP needs to be trimmed down to have any space left to be usable. Want to compress some folders? NOPE, disk space is cheap, just buy bigger disk and glue it to the back of your laptop is the only suggestion linux community has.

    5. Software support
    Updates, sometimes even minor, will cause malfunction in some software package. Old stable package doesn’t work with new web service. New packgake is not stable yet so it’s not included. Can’t compile it as it needs new version of some library that breaks some other software on the system. Just link it statically! But then you are down the rabbit hole of more and more dependencies which never seem to work out. Finally when it all compiles the app just doesn’t start…some of those libs are wrong.
    New version of distro will drop packages that you have installed so if you want your minidlna to work you have to wait for either enough angry people to complain to distro or trust some random person who releases unofficial version.

    I wanted to like linux but I find that no matter what distro I use whenever I want to do something I end up spending hours trying to get simple things working. And each new version brings more changes which break more things and searching for solutions is getting harder as solutions for old problems differ depending on version of distro you are running…if you can find them at all.
    Windows has a lot of issues and Microsoft seems to be doing their best to create Apple like walled garden. If they succeed a lot of people might end up having to switch to an alternative OS. But the way things are going that OS will not be linux because the reason people stay with Windows is to get a common stable platform they can use to get the work done and linux on desktop is just too unpredictable. Maybe the future for most people lies in Android or Chrome like devices but for people who want or need stable desktop, post Windows future is not clear. Could one of the BSD based OS rise to the challenge? Or will ReactOS get enough funding to bring us back Windows 2000?

    • Scott Williamson

      Wonderful reply form someone obviously far more educated on software than myself. You just stated what I would have if I had the knowledge. I want to like Linux but it doesn’t make it easy and all too often the help comes with a great deal of sarcastic insult. I don’t think I am Linux Club material. Too bad because as much as I do not want to contribute Bill Gates and Co., it is the easiest working option for uneducated specimens like me. Now, if only I could figure out how to get my file system back to something Windows would recognize I’d be busy reloading Win. 7 instead of searching around trying to figure out how to get my HP Printer to work with Ubuntu.

  159. thobin A

    Tons of great games work on Linux natively and more on Steam every month. Sure non native games take a tweak or two, but the fact you can get 90% of them to run on a OS that they were not built for is impressive. The only games I cant get to run are the new DirectX 11 only games. Fortunately most are the so called AAA developer games that are nothing but console port pieces crap, so no big loss there. The FPS/performance problem is hardly a Linux problem GPU and OpenGL are to blame for that and they both have come a long way. Give Linux Mint or Ubuntu Mate a try. My kids only game and Mint has rarely ever let them down.

  160. Ped-Away-G

    i’ve tried linux so many times hoping something to change but nope this will be the last time.
    linux is for servers, for nerds, for technical kind of guys not for workstations not for everyday uses and not for gamers but if you do very few simple things like mailing, surfing that would be fine.
    last but not least, linux needs A WHOLE LOT OF ASTRONOMICAL WORKAROUNDS a get things done.

      • SwitchingFromCrapdozeToLinux

        As someone who is currently on week two trying to get Mint to work properly on my desktop and having no luck your response is invalid. Why am I spending so much time on Mint? Well, while I can get Arch running beautifully, I honestly prefer apt to pacman and the Mint Cinnamon environment is a dream to work in. Why is your response invalid then? Well after a stupid number of re-installs etc. I’ve come to the conclusion that Mint doesn’t like my GPU. I run an i7-5930k, no issues, Broadcom wireless card, no issues (surprisingly since Broadcom crap causes driver issues even in Windows), Nvidia GTX 980 ti Lightning, no end of headaches. System will run perfectly after fresh install then install Nvidia drivers and restart and from there as long as I never restart the system it’s perfect. But the second I restart, Cinnamon start crashing and runs either only in fallback mode or with that hobbled together mess of garbage trying to masquerade as a graphics driver nouveau (when you can’t handle 1920×1080 in 2017 then you don’t deserve the title graphics driver, shitty picture maker maybe but even then thats a stretch)

        Like others have mentioned, I’m trying to stay Linux, I even love it when it works, key word there is ‘when’. And ya I could switch to Arch but then I have to find an alternative way to install most of the software I use since the only Linux version for most of them is .deb or in some rare cases .rpm. Actually minus the package issues I would probably prefer Arch since is has some other neat features I liked but weren’t enough to offset the annoyance of not being able to run a .deb and have install like an .exe or .msi.

        As a side note, to any sheep thinking of trying to respond to this by saying “Try a Mac, you get your terminal and everything just works” **** OFF! I owned a MacBook once and will never go back thanks to how locked down the OS is, not to mention useless, and will never pay for one since for the same price as your slow Core M 8GB ram MacBook I’m running a 6 core hyperthreaded beast with 32GB ram and a 6GB GDDR5 video card. Apple never has and never will produce usefull computers since they already make so much off their mindless sheep.

    • Scott Williamson

      I am so thrilled to be here reading comments like this. I was begging to think I was to dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time. Something by the way I have managed to do for going on 70 years.

  161. Amith

    This is a good article, I’ve been using Linux as a main OS for about 10 years now and I’ve used most major distros. Some of the points here are valid and I agree but I disagree on a few, here’s my take on them:

    Points 1 & 5:
    In your first point, the argument is that Linux is harder to install and complex. you’ve given examples of how the user needs to burn the ISO image etc.

    You can always get a Linux DVD instead of downloading and burning one. Even with Windows, you’ll have to convert the image to a USB bootable format if you have to install in a system that lacks a DVD drive. In Windows, on a fresh install you need to hunt for drivers and install them (rebooting each time). My point here is that each OS has it’s own set of difficulties, and it doesn’t make Windows easier.

    Also, I see the ‘installation is hard’ argument as suggesting someone a hacky approach to something and then complaining about the difficulty. If someone is new to computers, they’d get a PC which comes pre-installed with Windows. The OEM would have taken care of the installation etc. Would it be any different if they use the same approach and get a PC with Linux pre-installed? If you want to do the installation yourself and you don’t want to fiddle with the drivers, at least start with hardware that’s known to have good support.

    However, I agree with the author that some hardware has much better support in Windows. The GPU is a good example, I have bought games on Steam that play on both Linux and Windows and the framerates are inferior with the former. This may be because DirectX is a better API compared with OGL, I’ve found better documentation for the former when I wrote 3D test cases. The point is, Windows is much better here.

    Point 2 & 11:
    While I agree that the Linux userbase is small, the percentage of people in either camp who know what they’re doing (and having the skills to help you) are about the same. Here again, I feel that you’re looking at it from one perspective only. Your approach is to solve it yourself and you seem to think that’s the only way. If a Linux pre-installed box was bought, the store could help resolve issues. Also companies like RedHat make money from support.

    Also, it really depends on which part of the community you had interacted with, some of the newbie distro users are full of jingoism and blind hate for Windows while having little technical skills.

    Point 3:
    I agree with this a lot, too much change too often. The whole system seems to be a moving target. I’ve noticed that some of these projects (Like Gnome for eg) seem to experiment a lot instead of building on what’s already there. I generally avoid the mainstream Distros for this reason.. at also cause of bloat.

    Point 4:
    I disagree. One of the main difference between Windows and Linux is modularity. Windows is one big monolith while in Linux you have an option to swap multiple components with their alternative. I used to prefer Gnome for its simplicity, but when they forced their tablet UI crap, I moved off. I would be stuck with something I didn’t like if it weren’t for the ‘pointless competition’. The ability to fork projects is one of Linux’s best features.

    Point 6:
    I agree mostly, Windows seems to have caught up with the performance gap. It’s not really a sad thing, I like that Win 10 has multiple desktops and that they’ve slimmed the OS down as of late. This point applies to specific distros though (as you have pointed out) so I don’t think it’s correct to generalize it for the whole of Linux.

    Point 7 & 8:
    I totally agree, a lot of the userspace applications aren’t as good as the professionally made ones and it’s not because you’re ‘used’ to a particular way of working. I’ve tried using LibreOffice Calc when I was collecting and analyzing data at our labs… Excel does a much better job. It supports larger spreadsheets, doesn’t crash and was generally easier to use. Gimp is another example, it’s alright when you do basic edits but PS is definitely a lot better.

    Games on Linux is a lost cause (see my earlier point on GPU drivers). There are fewer games on Linux but that’s not the point, the good ones that run on Linux perform much worse than their DirectX counterparts.

    Point 9:
    This is absolutely true, while Linux is technically FOSS. All the good parts of the systems seems to be written by people who are paid to/ derive financial benefit from it. The kernel is awesome, the programmers who work on it (Including Linus) are paid and they work on it full time. Most of the good drivers are written by people affiliated to the hardware companies (proprietary Wifi drivers for e.g. run much better than the FOSS variants). If you researched the backgrounds on the developers who are behind the major projects, you’d say many ‘work for’ RedHat, a company that earns revenue through Linux.

    Point 10:
    Meh, philosophical arguments probably are made by newbies who just started with the OS. I like GPL to an extent, cause it ensures that the code and subsequent improvements are available. I feel that it’s one of the things that allowed the eco system to not fall prey to EEE tactics. GPL isn’t truly free, it serves the practical purpose of protecting software from getting hijacked. I’ll just use whatever works, or a combination of whatever works.

    My take on the whole Windows vs Linux argument?
    Meh, use whatever suits your needs. I like both Windows and Linux (and BSD) for different reasons. Don’t want to waste energy endlessly tweaking my system and I also don’t want to waste it trying to bring people to the Linux camp.

  162. John

    I was reading comments regarding security, how linux doesn’t have viruses.

    It is true, it has almost no viruses only because 1% people use it.

    I don’t know how you can say Linux is secure when it allows you delete partition on which it runs on? Try deleting Windows folder.

    On windows, virus can’t do anything harmful unless it runs with admin privileges. And that’s all you need to make, trick user into running virus as admin!

    Let’s say i make “Photoshop_Linux_x64.sh” with “rm -rf /” command. Of course it can’t do anything without root permissions. But user really wants Photoshop, and i tell him to enter in terminal “sudo Photoshop_Linux_x64.sh”…and there you go, partition deleted.

    • Amtih

      You kinda proved the point of why Linux is relatively more secure there, the user had to explicitly help the malware run. On Windows, all you really need is an autorun virus in a pen drive.

      Security is more than just about virus infections and it has a lot to do with how the system is configured. You can tweak Windows to make it more secure and you can misconfigure Linux ending up with an insecure system.

      • John

        Windows has changed since XP, you now need permissions also…but it’s more simple just click Yes.

        I don’t know about autorun, it still works in Win10?

        But you missed the point, users would help the malware to run. My friend installed fake Antivirus, but guess what the installation didn’t start itself and he gave it admin permissions. It was from fake ad, and it sounded cool and “free”.

        Want to try photoshop for linux? 🙂

        I’m talking about average users who just type sudo commands without even looking what it does. And that can be a big problem if linux becomes popular.

      • Jack

        That no longer works since Vista. You shouldn’t speak of things you don’t know about.

  163. John

    Few year ago i installed Ubuntu, at first it was “Wow, this actually works”. Then i realized i had nothing to do here besides browsing the web and listening to music. I can’t play games, so what now? Linux supposed to be OS for developers, so i installed some IDE wrote my code, clicked Build…. error no compiler installed. Wtf? Ok, apt install gcc. There is a bug in program, clicking on debug function….error no debugger installed. Wtf? I quit after that, terrible experience compared to Visual Studio.

    Today, I’m using Ubuntu at work, for some web dev stuff. It works. Only problem i have is with people saying “Linux is so stable, never crashes”, and first thing i get on boot is error message “Something GNOME related crashed”.

  164. Chris

    I want to tell you something that happened to me once … a friend of mine his mother had an old computer 1999-2000 year ? with extremely low mhz cpu speed lower than the worst smartphone cpu speed 500mhz ? or less (cyrix cpu if i’m right)
    It couldn’t run windows 98 but also windows 95 where too slow also had no wifi dongle support .
    I tried to install windows 98 but it was so slow that was totally unusable also the applications where too old to do anything usefull (internet browsing, media player etc)
    I’ve installed tinycore to it and was really fast it had even a dockbar with zoom effects if recall correctly !
    -That machine had no usability on windows and no on linux do many things.

  165. Prime is all

    I’m Fairly new to Linux and I disagree with most of these.

    1. I switched from Windows a few months back because I was sick of bloatware called Windows 10, my laptop is fairly old and I installed Ubuntu which speed was superior to what had going on with WIN10, then I moved to the distro called Elementary OS haven’t gone back since.

    2. This is anecdotal evidence at best, there’s no way to back this up, 10 years ago this would fly but not anymore

    3. This applies to every single OS, Win Xp-Vista,Win 7-8, early Mac OSes, this is the nature of software changes are constant, but what I’ve notice the jump between Ubuntu 14 and Ubuntu 16 the programs for 14 that aren’t updated for 16 still works so I wouldn’t these changes are sure thing to break your system.

    4. Competition? really this is a point in software? had these been closed source programs they’d compete until once dies and the other buys out what’s left. the only reason we don’t have competitions like this on windows or Mac is because of the closed source nature so we’re stuck in a monopoly which we have to take what they give us, in my view choices are always the better thing to have.

    5.BS, I fell like this point is mainly for Nvidia, I installed Elementary Os and everything worked, AMD drivers worked, everything that had plug and play function worked.

    6. Ubuntu 16 runs fast on my PC which is a old Acer 5253, I didn’t have to install one that’s build for speed just to get it to move snappy.

    8. Sooooooo….We’re just going to ignore the OS that was literally built for gaming? okay moving on.

    9. Why is a titan like Microsoft joining the Linux Foundation then? I’m pretty sure it’s the entire nature of the free environment that Linux has that pulls developers from all over, these developers perform amazing task without the funding that the big 2 is known for, I honestly don’t see how that is a con.

    11. These are always the most annoying points, and it just doesn’t work. generalizing a community can’t work people will always disagree, there’s no perfect community. If you can find one please point me towards it.

    • Joepy Doe

      //1. I switched from Windows a few months back because I was sick of bloatware called Windows 10, my laptop is fairly old and I installed Ubuntu which speed was superior to what had going on with WIN10, then I moved to the distro called Elementary OS haven’t gone back since.

      2. This is anecdotal evidence at best, there’s no way to back this up.//

      So … your 2nd point refutes your first. Nice work.

      Windows 10 works flawlessly, if you’re smart enough to spend six minutes disabling stuff. OOTB, i’m running 8-year-old Windows apps on WIndows 10. That could _never_ happen on a linux distro. Lib updates would kill it instantly.

      • John Doe

        8. Linux was MADE for gaming

        Steam disagrees, and Wine can barely run programs optimally, let alone games.

    • Danny

      “2. This is anecdotal evidence at best, there’s no way to back this up.”
      This doesn’t just go against 1 as joepy pointed out but also goes against 6.
      “8. Sooooooo….We’re just going to ignore the OS that was literally built for gaming? okay moving on.”
      Lol what? This pretty much shows I cant take anything you said seriously.
      9. I just assumed it was because Microsoft was trying to help windows users with old or low end pc’s

    • TC

      RE: #9. Microsoft has inserted a Linux Bash/Ubuntu shim in Windows 10. It’s available by turning on ‘Developer Mode’ in the settings panel: it runs a bash shell and (with a few tweaks) can install almost any other Linux base system AND launch a DE/Window manager, with access to the entire filesystem.

      Microsoft is preparing to -bulldoze- Linux.

  166. Kingofnyc

    you forgot to mention the commands and kernal keeps changing all the time with every version what crap is this erh9 eno etc..

  167. brian lamb

    Hi, Ironically, reason Number 11 is why im here, Yes, ill corroborate the statement about not polite or helful, then onto ‘complete Jerks’. That was my experience in the Arch forums for the last 6 years anyway, and im pretty much done with that community now for this reason. Its a dog-eat-dog society pretty much.

  168. Sachin

    wow!!! i recently 2 months ago switched from windows to linux and i will share my opinion on this post

    1) Complicated : Really have you tried to repair ur broken windows pc ever using command promt and tried to fix linux ever?

    2) Alone : Lol i didnt know the command to install the sowftware on linux and had to search the web and found 1000+ forums with help but with other OS forums have you visited?? Please…

    3) Changes : Lol 1 Year Ubuntu changed ui and u complain windows updated 20+ times in the last year and you didnt even notice huh??

    4) Ponitless competition : it means that you dont have toedit ur photos only in photoshop but have many options that too most off em free and u say its bad superb

    5) Mediocre Hardware & Peripheral Support : i dont know where u got this or made this up but i dont have problems with any of my hardware or my peripherals

    6) It’s Slow : obvious if u install 1000+ softwares not only ur system but all the systems will be slow but have u compared the windows with same 1000+ softwares installed???

    7) Programs Suck : really u got fed up for 3-5 programs while i can give u a list which suck on other os but thier alternatives on linux run like a horse without any problems

    8) Gaming : Obvi as the os itself states its not for gaming and have not seen on many distros saying its for gaming but if u really need to play the specific game and have all components required and doestnot want to dual boot then install windows on VMBox( which comes in-built with most of Linux) and i think only newer version are based on 7 but most of em are XP which is free (if u think u need to pay tho and ofc there are torrents too)

    9) It’s Free : yes its free still has better support than window. i agree they dont have the mentioned 1000+ developer who are paid to say rebuy and reinstall ur windows but there are many others who are for helping and i think u didnt search ur problems on google or youtube

    10) Philosophy Versus Practicality ; Please why are u saying that linux sucks if you say linux users are philosopers as practical user u sud have thought their side of the story too and ur files play as soon as u download 500-600kb codec from one click on the store but i can show u 5-6 formats that dont play unless u download 40-50mb sized codecs for ur information

    11) The Community : syaing “Ur system has crashed please reboot with nstallation media and reinstall ur windows and it might as well erase ur data” is polite then i prefer the rude but safe community

    And yea linux is not perfect as i have heard(not seen it till now as im still new and tryingout new things everyday) but for my 8 yrs windows experience after switching i think its better than other OS u have mentioned.

    • John Morris

      A quote:

      I can hear the Linux fanboy fingers pounding on the keyboard right now.  They plan on telling me about an obscure software package that I didn’t mention.  They intend on regaling me with all the flaws in Windows or OS X.  Or they will get really defensive… almost as if I mentioned politics or religion.

      So let me say this before your fingers fly.  I LOVE LINUX!  I’m not trying to create an impenetrable picket line to stop people from using Linux.  If you want to feel all warm and fuzzy by hearing how great Linux is, read my last post.  Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.

      1.) Yes.

      2.) I guess you didn’t read the details.

      3.) Quote: “This isn’t a purely Ubuntu problem, and it isn’t restricted to user interfaces.  Linux distributions often make radical changes that break or change things you used to do with your computer.”

      4.) I’m not sure what you’re counterpoint is.

      5.) That’s wonderful. I’m glad it works for you. However, the fact of the matter is, Linux has trouble with a lot of consumer hardware. Buy a random, recently produced mid to high end laptop computer and install Linux. If everything works out of the box, buy a lottery ticket. Then see if your battery life is even half what it was on the original operating system. No luck? Okay, buy a random, either brand new or several years old video card and check your graphics performance, if it works at all. I’ll make it easy. It’s an NVIDIA video card.

      6.) It doesn’t appear that you’re disagreeing, only saying that Windows is slower under the same circumstances, which I might argue upon some additional clarification of your statement… But, that’s beside the point: Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.”

      7.) I gave examples. Typically, when using examples, you don’t list everything, you give a few key… examples. For many desktop/laptop users: “Once you start getting out of servers, supercomputers, or strictly generic web surfing desktops, the software choices are poor at best.”

      8.) Seeing as how a significant portion of the computer using population plays video games, and Linux has poor game support, this “sucks.” That doesn’t mean never use Linux. That doesn’t mean Linux doesn’t have its place in the world. That means it sucks that people looking for an operating system to suit their needs, ignore Linux because it sucks for gaming.

      As to your solutions, first, playing video games inside a virtual machine is often loaded with problems and spectacularly inefficient. Second, using Windows XP is a bad idea in terms of security since all support ended in 2014, and technically ended before that in 2009. Further, XP doesn’t even play many modern games. Third, Windows is generally not free, even in those circumstances, if obtained legally. I do not appreciate you advocating illegal actions on this website. And none of that matters anyway since your proposed solution here is to not use Linux, supporting the point I was trying to make.

      9.) I’m not sure what you’re counterpoint is.

      10.) Quote: “Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.”

      Quote in response to your philosophy statement: “I am aware that many of these “problems” also have positive effects that have helped shape Linux into the awesomeness it is today.”

      But when you don’t care about these philosophical issues, as is seemingly the case for the vast majority of computer users, needing to take additional steps such as adding software repositories with non-free software, then searching for the desired software, then installing it, is annoying. It “sucks.”

      11.) So… you’re not disagreeing.

      This article is not, and nowhere claims to be advocating other operating systems over Linux, as you and so many other commenters have decided it is. This is a website devoted to Linux; it would be a strange move to advocate never using Linux, given the target audience. This article is merely highlighting areas in which Linux can improve and situations that push many newcomers away.

      To quote from another reply I made to someone else:

      Nearly every time Linux experiences a shift toward acknowledging and rectifying shortcomings, it is immensely well-received outside of [Linux purist] echo chambers. Ubuntu was a breath of fresh air that made Linux accessible to normal people in a time when it was miles behind its contemporaries in that department. Ubuntu EXPLODED as a distribution and alongside it, the popularity of Linux EXPLODED from effectively nothing to a meaningful market share. Mint was a breath of fresh air that took up the mantle of ease-of-use that Ubuntu had carried so far, but started to drop somewhere along the way. Mint EXPLODED, eclipsing its big brother Ubuntu for a time, and, arguably, motivating the Ubuntu team to temper themselves. Cinnamon, MATE, and all the other desktop environments that sprung up after Gnome 3 and Unity EXPLODED, only because they offered a familiar refuge for those turned off by the radical shift of the field’s heavyweights, and in the process appealed to users of competitive operating systems.

    • Lopo Lencastre de Almeida

      On 8) people should take a ride by https://www.gamingonlinux.com/. They have a list there a huge bunch of games. Of course not as many and some don’t work very good, but at least in Linux you have a lot of emulators and can play games that were not made for it; I don’t know if you can say the same about Windows or Mac OS.
      And with NVidia Vulkan API and EPIC Games Unreal Engine (among others) I think the gap will be closed soon.

    • Fajar Mulia

      this guy such a noob on linux lol,,, and never tried x99 motherboard with 128gb corsair dominator platinum,,,
      i’ve been using linux sience 2008,, this artcle have my point,,, linux SUCKS on high-end PC,, and not fully support all intel 6th gen yet,,, linux totally sucks,,,

  169. SDA

    Linux is being hacked to oblivion with various new approaches, desktops, apps, xservers, in all seriousness you cannot take it seriously, each blend is a mix-n-match potpourri of some flaming morons new icons, panels, etc all the while same AWESOME linux os behind the mix mash hacked front ends. As a server, killer system, as desktop, for crap sake all distros frozen here, rolling releases, mix of enterprise with opensource, similar to opening Windows SBS server and recognizing control panels from the earliest release of the product nested four deep in pretty eye candy morphed cartoonist crap. LOVE linux, use it from bsd, interactive, sco, sun way back when 8086 couldnt handle interrupts on the serial port and open an app on hard drive, 4dos was the weakest however linux shined, cryptic as double he?? then but 38 disks or three tapes later I would reinstall and build and reinstall and build. I viewed cloud services with advertising long before folks knew clouds were not just in the sky… I saw on the horizon the intrusion of every movement of your mouse with YUGE data banks targeting innocent enough folks everywhere. The entire system is one polluted nightmare from internet browsing to active tiles – remember when they would put a tile on your desktop showing you weather – omg – folks had no clue, the bandwidth of the new Windows 10 will if not already exceed Netflix and its for entertainment, Windows (among others) is sucking you into targeted ads and giving you the impression your working – bullshi$$. Linux offers ME myself and I the opportunity to tweak out the jokers who want to eat my bandwidth, install what I want and pretty much do anything I want. No autocad for sure, autocad was around in the 80s maybe, hundreds of dbase applications I have built only to see the constant need to i.e. migrate from a eol product or an upgrade like the FREAKING NUMLOCK jerks on excel turning on after each vb action and they say code around it – sure – 10000+ worksheets… Anyhow – I ran – I love Linux, Microsoft threw some money at it, they are on the mat, nothing new coming from them as everyone is catching up, hosted / cloud services via web are coming wide open, then Microsoft will be insignificant but try to do business without it is insane. Most companies who paid for custom programming and data connectors are eating their nails off and at times running xp or whatever other version of crap they can get it on. Windows and EDesk among others came on three floppies or less, it was AWESOME – unix had xterm – apple had some gui’s etc but clearly Microsoft and Apple took the lead and they each have their own “awesomeness”, I keep a windows box running several versions for technical support to narrate but otherwise, I am 100% linux and use virtual machine for proprietary software, but linux is its own worst enemy, its an erector set that everyone gets to play with and when they come back the next day, its like “who the hell did that?”, flavors are about – bottom line – all the same under the hood, its how folks put lipstick on the pig, includes some codecs, throws eye candy and you get someone swearing to almighty 64bit gods it just fly’s compared to their other distro – maybe they didn’t see subtle kernel differences, driver blobs, etc. Linux WILL RULE THE WORLD – not because its awesome, because when you only need a browser and 15 watt power supply to do everything under the sun through some paid gateway like google for instance, only those who want to open the hood and get their hands dirty will have linux and thats what its all about, sucking the time and life from humanity. Computers give us a false feeling of accomplishment, most folks are professional installers…. Well there I’ve said my piece, now I got to get back to why my freaking nvidia dkms isn’t loading after the latest update from manjaro – WEE! Oh no bragging rights here but if you knew my history you could grasp I’m just pissing in the wind here – the reality is I haven’t even BEGUN to express myself….

  170. shutterblade

    You’ve tried to give us the flip side of the Linux coin here, John, but it all sounds strange to me as we start the year 2017. I’m right now on my laptop which has a fantastic, stable, lightweight distro based on Ubuntu 16.04 with the XFCE desktop environment. I’ve tinkered with so it runs like a gazelle.

    OK I’m not a newbie. I’ve been on Linux for over four years now. And yes, I went through some frustrations initially. Done a lot of distro-hopping too (as you do!) and some of them didn’t work for me. But I’ve learnt a lot over that period. I guess the ordinary user doesn’t want to go too deep. They just want something to click and play. Fair enough. But they’ve got to realise that they’ve had around 30 years of being conditioned to double-click a .exe file. So they’re going to be a bit nervous about a .deb or sudo apt or synaptic or tar.gz and so on.

    I used to be on Windows 7 before and I actually think that was quite a good OS. But Linux feels like liberation to me. And nowadays it doesn’t lack fine multimedia, graphics and office programs. My start menu has plenty of them. OK, I can’t run Photoshop CC but hey, if you’re a photographer, there are loads of other applications for you. I don’t play games so I don’t care about that side of Linux. So, yeah, to sum up, I wouldn’t agree with the article at all based on my experience.

  171. lodevalm

    Sad but true.
    I’m a professional developer and I use for my job xubuntu.
    But I’m also a musician so I need OSX and a super stable laptop to play real time audio.
    In my spare time I like to play some videogame, that’s why I have a windows partition at home with a Steam account…
    I don’t love machines, I use machines.
    Nice article.

  172. Xatru

    Agree. For desktop usage, I prefer OSX. Unix with MS Office – shame but works. For Servers, Linux is just a kernel – that is Superior working. What sucks are all distributions – fact there are so many. Linux would have required to have kernel + minimal base that everyone shares in common. But that’s the sacrifice that comes with “all the freedom”.
    and if that all would not be enough application packages are next nightmare.

  173. windows its the best

    only 11 reasons? then what are you wainting for to move to linux?
    dont you know that there are 11.000 reasons why windows sucks?

    In linux we only have 11 bad resons and all benchemarks tests
    in the world showing that nothing compares to it. thats the reason why:

    The military and the cientists (cern) must be very stupid, they dont know that exists a system
    better that the scientific linux that they use <— what a bunch of stupid people they are rigth?

    i thinking in writing a letter to the militarys to explain what you are explaining were
    because i bet my live that they dont know that windows its mutch better 😀 😀 😀 …

    And in supercomputing? microsoft leads the way with 1% of computers in the
    list of the best 500 supercomputers againts 98% of linux computers (you are the best 😀 )….

    "nice to meet you geek, my name is einstein"..
    thank you for all the guffaws … ***** starts …

    • John Morris

      Impressive rant. There are some flaws however.

      1.) I never said Windows was better.

      2.) This article is pretty clearly talking about average consumer usage at home, as opposed to something a bit more official such as, say, the International Space Station. However, since you brought up NASA, the military, CERN, and the like, they use Microsoft Windows all the time. As well as OS X. As well as Linux. Whatever is most suitable for the task at hand. See this thread on Reddit where employees at NASA and related facilities and contractors discuss this: https://www.reddit.com/r/nasa/comments/4a9u8z/what_is_the_typically_os_of_a_nasa_computer_do/.

      • ironmike

        Christ, NASA even had stacks of Amigas back in the day… “most suited for the task at hand” couldn’t be more accurate.

    • Kingofnyc

      wrong…goverment uses it because its free. govt cant spend money stupid. the only other reason is because its more secure.

      • Linux programs are crap

        The government can’t spend money? Well it is a good thing tanks and battleships are free too. Thank Jebus.

  174. Vagrant User

    I am speechless by your article. It certainly does say more about you than it does about Linux by far.

  175. georgios katsanakis

    The only thing the Linux is worst than Windows is gaming and that is amd and nvidia fault. Not good drivers. Try window game with Microsoft gpu drivers and then… Basically this post shows how much lazy you are. You got used with clicking one button to do your job, by Microsoft and apple.

    3d render faster on linux
    Video audio conversion faster on linux
    Ext4 much faster and more secure than ntfs
    Linux much faster and more secure than Windows
    On Windows you need drivers almost about everything but not in Linux. Many hardware work immediately without drivers.
    More flexible and more practical than Windows and Mac OS
    Not even mention comparison server comparison. Linux is emperor.

    Why you think even Microsoft turns slowly slowly to open source?

    All have to do with how much lazy is the user. And 99% of the users want everything on the plate. It’s annoying to read lazy people opinion. Learn and then have an opinion…

  176. Gaz

    Excellent article, I agree with alot of these points. I try to dabble with Linux once in a blue moon, but always go back to windoze, because nowadays, things just work. Some of my thoughts …

    1. complicated – yes. To install a program, you use “apt-get” on a command line or something. Huh? You don’t go to a website and download it like everyone else does on windoze? no. And when you do apt-get, you need to know the exact name of the application. Except, it’s not an application, it’s a “package”. What? but its ok because if you google around, you can use a GUI to install stuff called synaptec or someting. You’ll find it in the menu under erm, internet or software or something. Oh whats that? after searching for ten minutes you can’t find it? But you been on forums and it’s definitely there? oh you need to update your sources!! We told you this right at the start of your post. erm, i got a better idea, il using Windows and going to the website and clicking on Download where it says “download”. Nuff said.

    5. yes. When are we going to see some kind of common middleware ( eg like common gateway interfaces or ODBC) for device drivers?

    6. You re right, there should be two categories for Linux: fast and light (should be called Linux system), and slugglish (should be called slonux system). I think reviewers and websites like distrowatch should be more honest here, and indicate one or the other.

    7, After using Word, Libre office I think feels so cheap to use. And why aren’t there any serious CAD packages on Linux? Surely it’s “Faster and Lighter”? I wonder if it’s because there isn’t one Linux, there’s hundreds. And on top of that, there’s ten desktops. Who can be bothered? Stuff that runs on Linux is supposed to run on any linux, but does it? Out of the box? I don’t know myself.

    10. yes.

    11. I tried to use Debian because its a “friendly” community and all that. Simple questions I asked in forums got sarcastic replies back.

    I have tried to apply your points to Windoze, came up with this …

    1. Windoze getting more and more complicated. I still struggle configuring Audio (left or right click on audio icon? microphone, digital in, digital out…. tick boxes … ???? )

    3. It is changing alot lately, trying to target all devices.

    4. Probably the same times 100, but you have to pay for it more than likely.

    5.Used to be, until recently, big issues with graphic card drivers (ATI radeon drivers etc) which is ridiculous since there are few big players out there. Hardware can struggle after a few years. Lots and lots of software are busy with support issues, incompability between W7,8,10, etc.

    So windoze not having it quite all their own way 🙂

    But very good accurate article.

  177. Gene Anthony

    Agree with the author’s criticisms of Linux. At one point I thought Linux might pick up some market share on the desktop (primarily during the Vista years) but I believe it lost its opportunity due to the reasons listed above. What I consider sad is how many gains Microsoft has made throughout the years to fix a lot of its weaknesses compared to Linux. Microsoft developed PowerShell which is a tremendous (and more modern feeling) object-oriented shell, they’ve moved away from GUIs on their servers moving to core, they offer some great remote GUI tools to manage multiple servers at once, etc. On Mint I just tried using the samba config tool (system-config-samba) and it crashed after install because a config file was missing and didn’t work until I created an empty file in its place, and that’s pretty much the primary GUI tool for SMB shares. Linux definitely has its place, but it seems to be limited to servers and in devices (and it’s primarily due to licensing and cost reasons).

    • Gaz

      Yes, microsoft have really pushed the boat out. Powershell was released on linux too i think!

  178. edy

    I’m agree with you, linux really sucks, is just for people who loves take about 6 hours reading and reading manuals to install the enabler to install the packages to install a simple application… after they resolve it in linux, they feel like a master of the geeks in the world. jejeje sudenly those geeks feel better than the normal people that made some interesting activities during those 6 hours…. in fact linux is for good approaches but not as a simple desktop… and please do not try to say linux is good because windows sucks… such a stupid human action to avoid the reality.. simple linux SUCKs!

  179. mikemath3

    installed Linux Mint, first time using linux. had a partition on an internal hard drive I only use for storage, nothing else.

    it just seems to run slow/laggy compared to my windows 7 installation I’ve had for 2 years now. I have to click things several times before it will register the click, a right click on something will take a second to open a menu instead of instantly, it takes a second or two for a new window to pop up like if I bring up my Files to browse my Pictures.

    Things I’d expect a fresh install of an OS to do instantly and responsively are acting like I’ve got a years uptime and half a dozen programs running, and all I’ve got up is the Terminal and a window of my pictures.

    I’m not saying it’s not a good os, I’m saying i can’t handle how unresponsive it is.

  180. Steve

    Windows just sucks!!! I quit using it due to being a resource hog. Oh the crashing, don’t forget the crashing… Furthermore there is no learning curve with Linux, I have never noticed it. I got fed up with Windows XP and my first Linux Distro was Fedora back then and it was sweet liberation. I have been using Linux ever since. I am sure Windows still crashes an awful lot and I no longer deal with that. Oh Windows crashing was the worst and every time I was in the middle of something it would either freeze up or crash something terrible. With Linux I don’t crash, my OS is stable!!!

  181. John Pace II

    Probably one of the worst articles I have seen on this topic. I am a computer processional. I run Windows 7, Windows 10, CentOS, Fedora and Ubuntu. I have many Linux servers I run, I also run many Windows Servers and my clients run a mix of Windows servers from 2008 R2 to 2012. I has been using computers for 36 years and have seen quite a few operating systems come and go. I’m not going to get into a religious war, but here are a few good points:

    1. Linux is complicated:
    Windows 8 brought one of the most frustrating and complicated interfaces around. Riddled with trouble, destroying itself through Windows updates and its general lack of easy management due to new and hidden configuration tools caused needless headaches. The entrenched use of “Mystery Meat” navigation was intolerable. While Windows 10 improved on this, but it didn’t resolve all the issues.

    The chief complaint that I get from people trying Linux is that they can’t run my-favorite-app.exe on it. That is a compatibility issue, not a complication issue. Linux offers and easy to use software repo in almost every distribution which seem much less complicated that the Windows 8,8.1, 10 app reposity, Microsoft id connected disaster.

    2. You’re Alone
    While i would say that most computer shops in my company’s support area (north eastern U.S.) can’t provide Linux support, there is a vibrant community which provides great support. You do have to search and you most likely will do what you need yourself, though. We do provide Linux workstation and server support, BTW.

    I would also point out that Microsoft, in the last 2 years, has been violating their end-of-life agreements and abandoning support for customers on their products. As an IT professional, this has caused headaches and caused us to push people to accept upgrades they didn’t want because they were going to be left out in the cold.

    3. It changes constantly
    Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 was a massive change in UI. Windows 3.51 to Windows NT 4 introduced a massive UI change with mammoth software incompatibilities requiring most companies to create separate versions of their software for each platform. The compatibility issue got so bad that Microsoft started withholding Windows 95 certifications until you also produced a compatible NT version.

    Windows 8 radically changed the user interface on customers which caused most of the world to completely reject the system. Microsoft itself sent Windows 8 to the junk heap in record time. All support is gone for Windows 8. Windows 10 moved to a more familiar interface due to irrecoverable customer shock. Since its release, however, it has been found that the interface is full of data collecting spyware and we are seeing integrated ads popping up. Can we say spyware and adware?

    4. Pointless Competition
    VMWare, VirtualBox, Xen, KVM – why the pointless competition. Windows vs OS X vs Linux. Why the pointless competition? Chrome vs Firefox vs Safari, vs Opera, vs Edge. Why the needless competition. The answer is choice and choices are expanding on EVERY platform. Further, choices push innovation and many times those separate camps will solve problems in different ways which ultimately leads users to better results overall. Competition is good.

    Cinnamon, for example, offers an interface which is very close to the Windows 10 experience. In a word, “comfortable”. We are standardizing on it simply because the learning curve is low, which also addresses point number 1.

    5. Mediocre Hardware & Peripheral support
    Yes, there is some hardware that Linux doesn’t easily support. There is also a list of hardware that Windows won’t support. Microsoft web cams that are a few years old generally don’t work on the new operating Windows systems. Linux, however, still supports them. Canon and Microsoft are currently, and have been for a year, arguing over who has broken compatibility with their scanner and all-in-one products. They used to work under Windows, now they don’t and Canon has officially blamed Microsoft. Where is that support. We, as techs, can’t even address the issue because its closed source, which also speaks to point number 2. I can generally resolve these issues under Linux.

    6. It’s slow.
    It is as fast or slow as you like. OS X and Windows have been bloated for a long time and it doesn’t show signs of stopping. Modern machines have no problems with any Linux distribution. Really old machines that are too slow on Windows 10 can easily run a snappy Linux distribution where no Microsoft option exists. With Linux, you actually have a choice of performance, bells and whistles and raw speed for any platform.

    7. The programs suck
    There are fewer commercial versions of software for Linux and the Wine system is less than helpful in resolving this. I like wine, but there will always be issues emulating closed systems that constantly change how they work. One of the chief causes of these issues is that many companies use the Microsoft Visual programming environment which intentionally writes code that will only work on Windows. This same lack of software plagues Apple as well.

    That being said, there is a rich assortment of software available on Linux. AutoCAD is not one of them, but there are alternatives. High-end graphic design, coding, audio mixing/recording and video editing can all be done on Linux with great software. Sketch is a fantastic OS X wire-framing piece of software. It is innovative. It won’t run on Windows or Linux. Should we throw both Windows and Linux out because of this? Of course not.

    8. Gaming
    Whatever. Linux runs Steam and a good many games. That being said, many games are only available on PlayStation or Xbox, not Windows. That is a fact. It doesn’t mean Windows is junk. The same argument holds true for Linux. Choose the platform that works with the games you want.

    9. It’s Free [and therefore developer suck]
    Saying that millions of sub-par coders contribute to Linux which makes it suck is ridiculous. Windows ME, Vista and Windows 8 were huge disasters produced by the very same 1000 developer commercial team who “produced a great product [Windows 7] in record time. That’s not true. Window 7 was more than anything else, a massive bug fix for the failed Windows Vista. Looking bad in Microsoft’s history ActiveX was released by Microsoft with no security whatsoever and that situation remained true for years on end without it being addressed. It was responsible for massive security breaches world-wide.

    The Linux peer review system generally doesn’t have that issue. There is no commercial company forcing substandard software down peoples throats to satisfy a bottom line. by the same token, there is not always a development team forcing software to a customer ready completion point. Going further, the majority of web servers in the world are Linux because they are solid, stable, reliable and secure. Windows servers are not. Reliability and security, with solid and well tested codebase, is the reason that Linux rules the web server world. If it just has to work, put it on Linux.

    10: Philosophy vs. Practicality
    Good lord. These same purists arguments exist in the Windows world and the OS X world. There are major camps for many positions. Why did Microsoft remove DVD support from Windows? I now have to buy and install different software just to play a DVD. Microsoft’s bottom line won. Users lost and they weren’t even given a choice. With Linux, you can generally install what you want for free or install a different distribution that fits your philosophy. With Microsoft, you will comply. If you don’t like it, you will comply anyway. You have no choice.

    11. The community
    People can be jerks. I have seen more jerks in forums than I can count. That being said, it is not restrained to the Linux community. Further, in solving issues, there is almost always an answer in a Linux forum. In Windows forums you are often told to back it up, format and reload. The level of support is poor in Windows. Why don’t scheduled tasks using batch files work in Windows server? They broke it in 2008 and it’s remained broken, period. Where is that wonderful, guided commercial support. Where was the unified programming team. They deemed it unimportant and ignored users requests for a fix, just like ActiveX security. This is just one of many examples. The Linux community would have stepped up with a fix immediately.

    As a funny aside, The Windows 3.1 calculator computes 2-2=.01. It is a known bug and has never been fixed. The decision to not repair a bug based on the bottom line is a huge problem with commercial companies.

    I’m not saying Linux is right for the world. We talk many customer out of Linux for a multitude of reasons (We get asked a lot). When asked, we present a very unbiased position that, more often than not, leads to a Windows solution. Commercial software is generally the biggest driver. We do, however, use Linux where we think it fits. The printing shops we support often times have Linux, Unix, Mac OS X and Windows all in the same network. Each portion of the company often has a different reason for its platform of choice and we make them all talk and work together. Understanding what each system brings to the table is key. Yes, I see that in your closing comments you say that you like Linux. That may be true, but you have NOT presented an unbiased position for curious people. You have denounced Linux with arguments that are not altogether true. I believe that your headline was built to cause controversy. It does, however, your prose it misleading and, in many instances, simply not true.

    • John Morris

      1.) Quote: “Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.”

      2.) Quote: “You can’t pop into any computer repair shop with your Debian rig and get help…” “… not everyone has a problem with this.  I fix my own computers, and vastly prefer talking via typed messages over the Internet, than in person or over the telephone.”

      3.) Quote: “Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.”

      But okay, I’ll bite. Let’s try and keep operating system upgrade methodology faults within the last two decades. Windows 95 didn’t even originally ship with a web browser or TCP/IP support by default. It was a very different world than the one we now live in technologically speaking.

      So that leaves Windows 8 from your refutation. Windows 8 was Microsoft’s newest operating system for 3 years. While that has nothing on Windows XP’s shelf life, that is pretty average for Microsoft operating systems, and far from any record breaking scenario. As far as usage, Windows 8 grabbed a respectable marketshare, especially after the first service pack equivalent (Windows 8.1), that eclipsed everything in the consumer oriented computer operating system field except other versions of Windows that were still actively supported by Microsoft (namely, Windows 7). It could have been better adopted, for sure, but it was far from a failure.

      And it’s user interface changes were exceedingly minor in comparison to many Linux UI changes (Gnome 2 –> Unity, Gnome 2 –> Gnome 3, et cetera), but yielded a far more massive outcry. Thus supporting the point I was attempting to make in the first place about radical changes sucking.

      I really don’t know why this point is contentious for Linux apologists. The uproar was deafening when Gnome 3 and Unity rolled out amongst the Linux community. It spawned dozens upon dozens of new desktop environments and window managers (contributing to #4) to get back that Gnome 2 feeling, and propelled other niche ones into mainstream usage (XFCE and LXDE primarily).

      And further yet again, the user interface was merely an illustration of the larger point. I would have gone for something meatier, like systemd, but that’s a much more complex example that requires far more explanation for those unfamiliar with the details, detracting from the point.

      Regarding Windows 10 privacy, privacy is a major concern for some, and a very valid reason to investigate Linux instead of Windows. However, as the world’s deep embracement of free services provided by the likes of Google, Facebook, and others show, privacy takes a backseat to convenience or service for many, many people. It’s not as if they hid the fact. It was right there in the terms of service that everyone is supposed to read before continuing. It was right there during installation when it started asking about your preferences and settings. And have you considered about all the features of the operating system that many find useful that these privacy invading services might be used for? See: What Windows 10’s “Privacy Nightmare” Settings Actually Do. If you don’t like this, try a competitor’s operating system, turn off all the privacy invading settings and features, or stick with previous versions of Windows.

      4.) Quote: “Don’t get me wrong, I believe competition is great.  But only when a competitor improves upon the other’s limitations.”

      You fell into the same straw man fallacy trap many of the other commenters fell into. You conflated pointless competition and competition. Freedom to choose is great. Competition is great. POINTLESS competition is not. Two organizations devoted to doing the exact same thing in different ways means two separate architectures, ecosystems, and environments must be supported. I love that Linux offers more customizability and freedom than Windows. I agree that this is one of Linux’s main selling points. But Linux software that gains momentum often splinters into dozens of variants offering no meaningful differences than its competitors.

      Regarding Cinnamon, XFCE with the Whisker Menu and panels at the bottom had done that for years before Cinnamon came along. The MATE fork of Gnome 2 by the same people behind Cinnamon did that when you put the panel at the bottom.

      I like Cinnamon. It’s my second favorite desktop environment after XFCE. But that’s because it does the same thing that XFCE does and does it well. But now users are fragmented, and development, support, and applet and widget support must be maintained for both. Competition != Pointless Competition.

      5.) Quote: “Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.”

      You are arguing that Linux has better hardware support than Windows among general, modern consumer devices? If that has been your Linux experience, you are very lucky.

      Many of the rest of us couldn’t connect to wireless networks if we have a wireless card with some of the most common chipsets used during their time of production. My laptop trackpad still doesn’t work for anything other than one finger only mouse movement. Forget gestures, two-finger scrolling, and tap to click. The once very popular NVIDIA video card in one of my parent’s computers can’t even drive a non-fullscreen YouTube video on Linux because of hardware support on Linux. This is the same model of video card that played video games on my computer and played HD movies flawlessly on the Windows XP installation present before I gave them Linux. Thank God they don’t have an ATI/AMD one. And on, and on, and on. These are just the problems in my house with Linux this year. All of those items worked on every Windows operating system since Windows XP Service Pack 3 without needing to install any drivers or configure anything.

      Linux has amazing hardware support given that so much of it has to be reverse-engineered and cobbled together. Most things do work reasonably well. But the odds of finding a hardware compatibility problem are far greater in Linux than any other operating system. General consumer computer hardware is made for Windows computers, so most hardware works very well there. Apple operating systems work with Apple’s very specific and limited hardware setups that they can test extensively and conclusively with ease. Linux is an afterthought, if it is a thought at all.

      6.) Windows 10 with all my crap loaded on it boots to the login screen in the same time as Arch with no GUI on my desktop. Firefox (no add-ons), my primary Linux web browser, takes upwards of 5 seconds to open on Mint and Manjaro distributions in a virtual machine. It takes approximately 2 seconds in a virtual machine with the same settings, on the same host, running Windows 7 and Windows 8. Microsoft Word is running in less than 3 seconds on my Windows 10 install on my desktop. LibreOffice Writer in 4 seconds on Ubuntu on the same hardware.

      This isn’t particularly slow on Linux’s part, and there are things it does faster than Windows. However, not that long ago, in the XP and Vista days, Linux was faster at everything. Since then, however, Windows has been slimming down and optimizing its speed and resource usage while the top Linux distros have been ballooning in size and resource usage. I now have to hunt for the sleek and lightweight distros, most of which aren’t very good, or start from nothing in an Arch Slackware, or Debian type distro, and build up to get anything resembling that snappy feeling even the heaviest of Linux’s used to have.

      7.) So… it doesn’t seem we are actually really disagreeing on this point. If this were an OS X website, I would list that as a fault for it too.

      I never advocated throwing out Linux because it has a paltry software collection. Quote: “So let me say this before your fingers fly.  I LOVE LINUX!  I’m not trying to create an impenetrable picket line to stop people from using Linux.  If you want to feel all warm and fuzzy by hearing how great Linux is, read my last post.  Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.”

      That being said, if I really needed Sketch, I would be using a Mac for at least that part of the job. Me personally, I would probably use all 3 operating systems (I do now, though only a little for Apple’s, and I don’t need Linux or OS X), but those not a geeky as I would probably just switch to Mac outright. So… yeah… I have no doubt plenty of people would throw away Windows and Linux because of that.

      Regarding the alternatives you mention when you say AutoCAD… not really. First, the alternatives aren’t very good. Or at least they weren’t 4 or 5 years ago when I tried really hard to find Linux engineering tools (I had a Linux laptop that I used for school at the time). Second, AutoCAD is among the simplest of the engineering software used in terms of functionality and purpose. It has its uses, and is good for those purposes, but it is not the king-of-the-hill. SolidWorks, CATIA, Abaqus, and so on have no suitable equivalents in Linux. None of those, with the exception of Abaqus, which sort of works, on cloudy days during leap years, work in Linux. About 1/3 of the software I use works on Linux. If the school didn’t require the usage of the other 2/3 of the software, I could probably come up with enough reasonable alternatives to make it a 50/50 split. But I have no say in that at the university, and will not have a say in it as an entry-level engineer for the foreseeable future. So Windows is essential except for specialized situations.

      8.) So… it doesn’t seem we are actually really disagreeing on this point.

      9.) Oh FFS. Honestly I was with you until this. Things were going well. It was a healthy, spirited debate that had signs of being one of the best refutations this article received yet. But you couldn’t resist the straw man. Honestly, I’m tired of typing it in comments and emails, so just read any one of most of my comments below for the response to this.

      10.) Quote: “Windows and OS X have plenty of faults as well, and if this were a Windows or OS X website, I would write about those.”

      Nonetheless, I’ll bite again. Your entire response to this philosophical issue is to install the software manually or switch to a different distribution. Well, VLC plays DVDs in most DVD reading drives. It’s free. It works on Windows. Microsoft’s DVD Player app which works in Windows 8 and 10 plays DVDs. It’s free. Windows Media Center, which worked in versions before Windows 8, played DVDs. So, at best the two operating systems are at a parity when it comes to DVDs.

      But step away from DVDs and things change. Let’s take the thing that has been irritating me for the better part of a year as I work off and on again on a relative’s computer that I put Linux on, and my main desktop rig with its setup. Video cards. Both have a run-of-the-mill NVIDIA video card. Neither is too new. Nor too old. Nor too fancy. Both yield unbearable performance with the standard range of open source drivers and solutions. The NVIDIA driver makes the computers usable (though it is still dreadful and won’t do anything resembling animations or video without vapor locking and dumping everything on the CPU). Mint, for example, pops up and informs me of the driver choice with their fantastic tool. Awesome. Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, Arch, and a handful of derivatives based on those tell you nothing. Some of those do have the NVIDIA driver in their default repositories, where switching is as simple as… well… it’s not really all that simple until you’ve done the dance a few times because the NVIDIA driver doesn’t play nice with anything else, but it’s feasible. But several others only have the NVIDIA driver in their non-free repositories. Which, for those like me, and presumably you as well, isn’t that big of a deal. But not everyone is as well-versed in these intricacies as you and I.

      Windows on the other hand, for a decade, has installed a suitable driver that takes full advantage of the card without any intervention in the equivalent scenario.

      I could go round and round with this on NICs, MP3 support, printer support, closed source software that does support Linux, and so on. Microsoft’s and Apple’s operating systems focus on ease-of-use and don’t care whether software is open or closed source, whether it is free (as in speech, not beer, though that too). Only certain Linux distributions do the same.

      I don’t care. You seemingly don’t care. It’s easy enough to get around once you’ve adapted. But my parents (who are tech savvy) and grandparents (who are not tech savvy) do. They don’t give a damn about open and closed source and software freedom (as in speech), and are displeased when they (or me in their stead) have to enable what they consider basic core abilities for no other reason than a long-running, tired debate about software and philosophy. You can dismiss their opinion, but now we’re jumping into #11 with both feet. Or you can recognize that maybe, just maybe, for some people, this is a con for using Linux.

      11.) I think you’re in another bubble, like with hardware support here. The Linux community has a disproportionately high number of impassioned and outspoken members. Yes, the Internet is rife with toxic attitudes, but with most issues, it isn’t focused. It will be one troll in a long, civil comment stream. Politics, religion, Apple products, Justin Bieber, and Linux, on the other hand, are extremely polarizing topics on the Internet. What is worse for Linux is that the most impassioned Linux fans are actually very smart and experienced and exude arrogance when proselytizing for Linux.

      This attitude is engrained into the entire community right from the top. See the links I included in the details of this point. See the experience of this commenter.


      I haven’t provided an unbiased view? The article is called 11 Reasons Sucks. I can’t fathom how I could possible be more unbiased in an article with that theme. I spent half the article writing in caveats and acknowledgments. Then, to wrap everything up, I put a giant link back to the article I wrote the week before this one where I approach the merits and shortcomings from Linux with the EXACT OPPOSITE VIEWPOINT, extolling the virtues of Linux. If I bent over backwards any more trying to be unbiased, I would snap my spine.

      Not only did you conveniently ignore my arguments in support of the Linux operating system when making your accusation, you did not acknowledge any of the context of this article. This website is DEVOTED to bringing people into the warm embrace of Linux. The fact of the matter is, a huge subset of computer users do agree with every single point made here. Look at the dozens of comments as such. I have received dozens of emails as such. Look anywhere Linux is discussed that is not a pro-Linux echo chamber. I expect we’re going to end up needing to agree to disagree on several of these points. Linux aficionados often disagree with at least some of them, but it doesn’t matter in the slightest.

      This article isn’t targeted to you. It isn’t targeted at me today. It is targeted at the person I was in my first month using Linux. I am attempting to extend an olive branch from the pro-Linux side of the divide to those disenfranchised by previous experiences or pushed away by the magnitude of the climb to Linux proficiency. Many Linux users capable of doing so dismiss their views or are stunningly ineffective at guiding people into the fold.

      So you are incorrect. This is not designed to instill controversy. This article acknowledges that the controversy already exists and has for some time. It showcases that someone in the Linux community identifies and understands the feelings and experiences of the other side. Further, it is an attempt to instill some measure of introspection amongst those of us who DO love Linux, instead of the usual self-congratulatory, superiority complex laden, echo chambers that we normally find.

      Nearly every time Linux experiences a shift toward acknowledging and rectifying shortcomings, it is immensely well-received outside of those echo chambers. Ubuntu was a breath of fresh air that made Linux accessible to normal people in a time when it was miles behind its contemporaries in that department. Ubuntu EXPLODED as a distribution and alongside it the popularity of Linux EXPLODED from effectively nothing to a meaningful market share. Mint was a breath of fresh air that took up the mantle of ease-of-use that Ubuntu had carried so far, but started to drop somewhere along the way. Mint EXPLODED, eclipsing its big brother Ubuntu for a time, and, arguably, motivating the Ubuntu team to temper themselves. Cinnamon, MATE, and all the other desktop environments that sprung up after Gnome 3 and Unity EXPLODED, only because they offered a familiar refuge for those turned off by the radical shift of the field’s heavyweights, and in the process appealed to users of competitive operating systems.

  182. Will Scranton

    Currently run 2x Ubuntu 16.04 on self-built kit. Been Linux only usr since RedHat 6. Usrland Linux desktop has not really improved since RedHat 6. Squintsville phones for pre-teens & USB-3 etc. don’t count as improvements!

  183. Patrick Nielsen

    i disaree with you you know nothing about linux 1 linux gives me more fps than windows beacuse its more leightweight 2 all programs that works on windows works on linux installing a windows game on linux can be done in matter of second all about youre pc speed 3 you are not alone there are places out in this world were thousands of linux people meet and talk about linux 4 linux is easy as fuck yes linux is more easy than windows and mac os take ubuntu as a example you dont need to use the terminal if you dont want to you can just go to the software center and update it like on a fucking mac pc im so tired of linux haters go die in motherfucking hell ive used windows my whole life the past year ive linux every thing got good no fails not 1 hour wait beacuse windows is shit at updating i can do stuff while updating if of course my update didnt update on fuckimng 5 second and theres no adds on linux too windows is one big fucking ad and as a hacker i can say for sure what ive heard from people is that windows is the easiest to hack then comes linux beacuse its open source and the mac as the hardest for me i see no fucking diffrend only than theres so many more vunrabillities too windows you know what windows mac and linux its all just the same and easy shit to hack im so fucking pissed about this and again you get more fps in gaming and before i stop this post im just gonna say i just saw that you said you didn’t hate linux thats okay i just say i got my opinion and its not only you i was angry at it was everybody who keep looking down at linux when linux is soo powerfull without linux there would be no lights in our houses cars wouldnt drive by them self and so on i love linux and just had a bad day so i may have been gotten a bit offensive sorry then but dont hate on linux people and the gramma well im to lazy to fix it up in such a long post said in another way im always to lazy to fix my grammar.

    • Tim

      Sorry, but you can’t spell, nor use punctuation nor grammar. How can you expect anyone to believe you know what you’re talking about? The author started out by stating that he wrote an article explaining why people SHOULD try Linux, then stated that this article gives the other side of the story. He followed up each point with well-reasoned examples. Your rant, on the other hand, borders on gibberish! If you take a few minutes to set your oh-so-delicate feelings aside and actually think about what the author is saying, you’ll see that he isn’t hating on Linux nor on Linux users. He’s merely being honest about some of the drawbacks that frustrate noobs such as myself. Yes, Linux is powerful, but yes, it can be frustrating when you install it only to find that neither the NIC nor the Wi-Fi work and you don’t know how to install the drivers from a TAR file. The author is just being honest and pointing out that Linux, like anything else touched by human hands, is not perfect. So lighten up, pal.

      • Scott Williamson

        Darn Tim, you actually understood what Patric Nielsen said? “You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din” Lord! I tried three times and finally assumed it was some form of secret code used by A I machines.

    • John

      All programs that work on windows work linux. Ok install visual studios the use not code. Paint with Photoshop with major tweaks to wine. A lot of programs windows can run half ass work with wine. Some ever might run better. But when you spend more time configuring the is to run something basic then you do using said program to complete your task it’s pointless. So while you attack this writer telling him he knows nothing about linux. Don’t headline your argument with complete bull shit facts.

  184. Alexander

    linux is such a joke for a desktop envoirement…. it’s just fucking useless… i used linux as my primary desktop for almost 2 years… in that time, i had to repair the gnome envoirment like 7 or 8 times…. just because of updates…. repaired grub loader 3 times just because of updates…

    it’s really nice to work with, as long as it’s a headless server somewhere… don’t lay it down on any users, it’s just not worth the hussle…

    • Sachin

      Really!!! before u update i think u should have checked if its stable or not coz it will be mentioned

      • Dave

        Or maybe it should actually work without any user interference, y’know like Windows and macOS

  185. John

    I agree with this article 100%. You would think that an open source operating system would be more user friendly than Windows, but it isn’t.

    I’ve been using Linux for a year now, and I still find it strange. I’m an average computer user. When I turn to the forums for help, 99.9% of the time the info in the posts is over my head. I usually get lucky after searching for a couple hours.

    Based on the difficulty solving problems in Linux (installing a printer or new program) I could never recommend this operating system to friends.

    How do I know I’m safe from viruses with Linux? When will Linux have open source security camera software?

  186. Jakub



    I think that doing lots of stuff is a lot easier. Eg setting up webserver.
    Initial configuration is easier, most of the stuff (besides non-hp printers maybe) works out of the box, no need to install any drivers. Applications install? In one place no need to go trough internet to download pdf reader, archiver, music player, browser etc.


    You can fix most with a bit of googling. Also lots of geeks sitting in a computer repair shops (at least in my country) would be more than happy with fixing sth on linux laptop than eg cleaning malware. Also you can always buy a commercial support from Cannonical, RedHat or Novell.


    Windows changes as well. Everyone upgrade design constantly.


    This is not a competition. This is a solution for guys that raise up point #3. Preferred older GNOME? Well, there are others! Install MATE. It’s just few clicks in package manager.


    This is unfortunately right in some cases. I still experience problems with linksys wifi dongle and brother printers. But, it’s getting better and better.


    Tell that to my 5 seconds booting (no SSD!) ArchLinux with OpenBox.


    Well, for usual youtube-video editing there are plenty of tools. WPS Office works splendid. But I agree that Adobe and M$ suck, providing best set of professional tools and no versions for Linux.


    Yup. Not an OS for gamers.


    Disagree completely. You forgot about Cannonical (Ubuntu), Novell (OpenSuse), RedHat (RedHat, Fedora, CentOS), Linux Foundation, Google and plenty of other sponsors. You must remember that Linux is an OS that runs in a crucial infrastructure, there is money flowing in to support core developers.


    Most mainstream distros asks you during installation if you want proprietary software. Also installing proprierary packages is usually lot easier than in Windows (again, few clicks in package manager). I usualy install Audacious and smplayer and got most of media supported within 2 minutes of initial configuration. No searching google for codec packs etc.


    well, don’t be such a pussy 😀

  187. Wellington Pereira de Carvalho

    I’ll give my opinion based on each item of the article and on my experiences as a 3,5 year Linux user.
    1) That’s definetly a problem for the beginners, since many possible new comers are afraid of trying and those who try leave because of that.
    2) Are you serious??? Ok, not many people use Linux compared to Windows, but nowadays, most people do things on the internet, and some newcomers who are persistent (and masochists, ofc) research their problems on the internet. Why would this be different with Linux?? So i think it’s partially right.
    3) Well, i’m not enough time in Linux to say much about that. But i did see some changes from 13.04 (the one i started using) to 16.04. They weren’t that big enough to confuse people.
    4) I don’t think competition is the right word for the examples in this item, specially when it comes to talk about the Desktop Environments. I mean, each of them has it’s uses according to the people’s needs and preferences. How would this be a competition? Among the users perhaps?
    5) I can’t say for the others, but i can speak for myself. I never had problems with old devices that required drives installation. Of course, the support is really a problem, but i think the author exaggerated a little. Not to mention, nowadays with the “new invention” called Plug’n Play, using a VGA, Mouse, Keyboard with specific funtions became easier. Agreed with the support problems, but not that much!
    6) Well, i didn’t know it only existed Ubuntu. It’s slower than before, i agree on that! But that’s where the Desktop Environment “competitors” come in (XFCE and LXDE sent their regards!). It might be slow, yeah. But is reversible!
    7) Well, i agree mostly, since the open-source alternatives are outdated compared to some proprietary softwares, since the FOSS were based on the closed and made by ordinary people, not a damn enterprise. In this case, you either adapt yourself to your resources limitations, or use wine.
    8) I think it’s the only topic i 100% agree.
    9) People need money, of course! But since most FOSS are free, i assume people are developing because they want it. And besides, this chaos can be good, since the community can improve the software if they are developers. Ok, they MIGHT not be as skilled as enterprise devs, but, what can assure us that one of these “20 years devs” are not part of the enterprise ones?? Though i agree in some points, that topic was a little vague to me.
    10) This Philosophical thing is really a pain, but i think that’s more part of topic 11.
    11) Some of us are a really pain in the ass, since some Linux users want to spread the word about “be free” by forcing and judging people who are starting or reluctant to start. And IMHO, i think the last thing Linux need is user segregation! However, the person who should give us the best example, acts really agreesively (way more than necessary, that is, if it is necessary).

    Well, that’s it!
    Perhaps i missed a point or misunderstood something. If either happen, please, let me know! 😉

    • Wellington Pereira de Carvalho

      Just adding something i forgot on one of the itens
      7)… That is, if you’re already using or want use Linux badly.

  188. MilkyWayMaster

    Yes snickie, Mac OS is based on Unix and Linux is based on Unix as well. In reality Linux is a light Unix. So I’m not so wrong in comparing Mac OS and Linux.

  189. MilkyWayMaster

    Just a SMALL comment dude,
    Mac OS is a Linux based OS. It only has one more of those “Pointless Competition” environments….. and I’m not referring its sucking hardware support….. only Apple computers that are intel based by the way, they only prevent Mac OS to run on other machinery.
    Regarding Windows, I have no tech comments. It is indeed not Linux based but you have to agree with me pal…. it is designed for “donkeys” isn’t it? Why should any have 20Gb or more HDD occupied space with an OS that just have a bunch of not used functionalities that are redundant. And they are also changing it a lot (not only XFCE, Gnome etc.)
    As summary, don’t waste your energy to point your daemon fingers to something that is stable and state of art. Just ask yourself why are most of high end electronic products based on Linux kernels? Is our worldwide engineering out of their minds?

    • Bo

      Sorry Guy, but better if you talk with the developers, instead of spread your own ideas. “Just ask yourself why are most of high end electronic products based on Linux kernels?”
      Easy: because it´s free. Let me tell you an example. Why BMW forced a supplier some years ago to change tho Navi OS from QNX to Linux? Because QNX is not free. Nothing with the stability or better or worse. just no licence fee for Linux. Believe me, it is only money, I participated on a meeting when it was reported. If windows would be free or cheaper it would be the choice. From other hand I am not sure how often you fly long distance or oversee. In this case I should not introduce the entertainment system on the plane 🙂

      • John Pace II

        I’m not sure that I fully agree with the “because its free” camp. We use Linux in our development. It is free, which is nice. The biggest driving factor, though, is that it is a very light-weight, robust, open source OS. That means that we can bend, mold and shape it and it runs like lightning. We can use a single Linux Server OS to replace an army of Windows Servers due to Windows bloat. This means less electricity, less rack space, less money tied up in servers, more reliability and less down time. All those cost points make the cost of the operating system itself irrelevant. Even if Windows was free, it would cost more and be less reliable. That is not to say that we do not use commercial software in our Linux farms. We do because it is often better than the FOSS alternative!!! We just don’t use Windows because, in the chaotic Internet facing server world, it’s a poor choice at any cost.

        Mac OS X was based on BSD largely because it is not hampered by the GPL prohibitions to closed source products. While I can’t say that OS cost is never the deciding factor in corporate choices, and I can’t say that Bo’s BMW story is untrue, I can say that I have better performance, support, code malleability, security and reliability from Linux. Further, commercial companies are constantly dumping products we use. With Linux, we can continue to use the same product regardless of FOSS decisions to terminate products. We just pick them up and carry on.

  190. Hugh

    I never felt that Linux might be difficult to learn as I was weaned on MSDOS, which was Microsoft’s offering before they put Windows on the market. MSDOS did not have a GUI. I had never heard of a mouse for your computer before, either. All of your commands were typed in at the Dos Prompt. I was a lot younger back then and had the patience to learn the commands.

    Fast forward a few decades and I was clicking in a command with the touch pad on my 93 day old Dell notebook that came with Windows8 installed when I heard a few ugly sounds coming from the computer. When the screen turned black I knew I now owned a brick. I called the Dell customer support and some guy in New Delhi informed me the computer’s warranty was expired and there was nothing he could do for me.

    I tested the HD from the Dell with an older notebook I owned and surprisingly, it wasn’t damaged, and neither was the rest of the computer. Unfortunately the HD had been corrupted and neither Windows nor my data was usable. Since Dell wasn’t going to help me, the only thing to do was try a few different versions of Linux.

    I’m a tinkerer, but I’m no technician. For all I knew Windows8 had somehow overstressed the HD and bricked the computer so I wasn’t about to pay a hundred or more dollars for some more Windows.

    I settled on keeping Linux Mint because I liked the look and feel of it and it’s been working without a hitch for about two years. As a matter of fact, I’m typing this reply on it right now. The hardest thing I’ve done with Linux is install a program, and that was spelled out for me on a forum.

    I will never pay another dime on either Dell or Windows. If all you have to do is check your email, download pictures or music, then you should not feel intimidated by Linux. I’m not a gamer so I have no opinion about that, but for my needs it was a perfect match. There were never any problems with hardware compatibility and all the drivers that the computer needed to run were included on the disk. If you can find a magazine/disc combo like I did then you should snap it up but it’s easy enough to download an image file and make your own disc. Linux is not only free, it’s fun if you are interested in learning new things and testing yourself a little. If you take your time and do a little digging online, I think you will find it’s worth the trouble. If not, then all you’ve lost is a little bit your time.

    • John Pace II

      The Windows failure you had was a Windows 8 corruption bug. I brought it up in a seminar with Microsoft at a trade show and they said it didn’t exist. Several other developer in the conference stood up and said they had the same trouble Microsoft again said it didn’t exist. I loudly asked how many people had the same issue and about 60% of the hands went up. Word got out in the trade show about it and Microsoft had a very bad time. They have since abandoned Windows 8 and there are no support of patches.

      BTW, we had a Windows 8 Server (Windows 2012) tank on us. Microsoft spent 4 hours with my techs pulling reports and configs from the dead server because they wanted to see why it failed. I stopped it after 4 hours (I didn’t know it was going on before that). When I talked to the M$ tech, he stated that they were just gathering data and that we would have to format and reload. There would be no fix for it. I terminated the call and had the tech back-level the server to 2008 R2. I was not about to deliver a known broken OS which would take an entire customer’s domain (and company) down (See previous paragraph).

  191. Richard

    I cannot stop laughing –
    “…Microsoft had about 1000 highly skilled developers working full-time on Windows 7…”
    and this is the best they managed to come up with? What a failure. And don’t let me start on Windows 8.
    Seriously, Microsoft Windows is one of the worst products that ever hit the markets. Bill Gates wanted to win the competition against Apple at the time, and Microsoft shipped half backed Windows. It still does.
    The only reason one will use Microsoft Windows is for the applications you can use on Windows .
    Windows itself sucks big time.
    If you do not want to use Linux fair enough, use OS X instead but Windows??

    • Patrick Nielsen

      hey i use linux full time i’m happy to hear you xD microsoft and apple just want money the dude who made linux torvald he didn’t want any money thats one of the good reasons and windows fuck them bought a pc couldnt install another os beacuse it had no fucking second loader or what too say its basicly a tablet and a keyboard together with dekstop windows 10 and shit it works when it starts up 3 coursors it bugs it crashes and updates takes at least 2 hours with school internet on fucking whole 100 100 mbps and my gaming pc a few months ago i used windows on it windows 10 took 1 hour too update WTF on a motherfucking gaming pc comeon windows linux dosent even take me 5 seconds xD windows suck and its so easy to hack well linux and mac os dont got the big diffrends in hacking its all just as easy in my opinion havent tried mac os but from what i know its pretty easy and linux and windows easy to hack tried it however windows got one heck of vunreabillities its so fucking easy you dont even need to do anything cloesly i dont know what too say you’re a good person 😀 bad gramma im just toooooo lazy to fix it

    • Dave

      Yeah Windows is so bad that it has 90% marketshare while Linux struggles to get even 2%. You sound insecure.

  192. Ozy EL

    You rock man!, this is the one and only post that I have found in the net telling the whole and real truth about Linux, I’m a Linux user too and I agree in every point.

    • Alton Locke

      He doesn’t ‘rock’, it’s just an attention-grabbing article. The complaints are those from the late 1990s/early 2000s. Some of them are downright false. For years Linux (largely the Ubuntu line initially) has been connecting devices like cameras, media players etc, without having to install special driver software. Windows still doesn’t do this every time.

      Balanced Linux users are aware that Windows is not the evil enemy. Many use dual-boot systems. This ‘but Linux is also a failure’ nonsense is the result of those people who seek out OS contests.

      • Dean

        To Alton Locke, Don Picmann and all the other keyboard warriors out there. You’ve missed the point completely! I’m not sure why all the fan-boys are so defensive out there. As a predominantly windows administrator, I am a fan of many functions on both Mac OS and Linux that Microsoft products just don’t cater for. John, thank you for the relevant and well written article. I have found just about every point perfectly accurate.

        I have run a successful IT service company for the past 8 years and have been building pc’s since I was 8 years old. I have vast experience with networking, firewalls, securities, Hosting (mail, web, ISP) servers in general and just about any other aspect of Technology used on a daily basis.

        I currently run Linux based firewalls for some of my clients. While its free (so is rape) and this should count for something, often I would rather pay for an adequate platform that simply works without all the headache. Linux platforms have come a long way however they are still far from being easy enough for the average Joe. Just today (22 November 2016) I have installed Ubuntu on a Virtual platform as a web host server. For the past 2 hours I have been battling to get teamviewer installed through the Desktop GUI. It always ends up reverting to a command line solution, which 50% of the time doesn’t resolve the issue and one needs to sift through code to try and figure out what the obscure error messages mean or reload the platform. At least 50% of my firewall builds have yielded compatibility issues and I have ended up having to re-install systems for no apparent reasons other than it being “buggy” and problematic from the start. (ie networking doesn’t work correctly, random dns issues, driver problems etc etc etc). My first ever Linux experience took me an hour to understand that the disk dismounted itself (why does this even need to be a thing?)

        While I have had some of the same issues on windows platforms, they are few and far between and the usability and over-all “friendliness” is not even comparable.

        In saying this, there are definitely benefits to the linux platform and I think John has outlined these well.

        My point is this..each platform has its benefits and its place. While I personally prefer Windows, Mac OS is far better suited to the new age “metrosexual” type that doesn’t want to tinker and just wants a reliable packaged device that functions. The support requirement on a Mac is far less than it is on a Windows pc or Linux system. Very little customisation is required (or possible) and it runs relatively seemlessy because of this. Linux is on the opposite end of the spectrum and is suited more to people that like fiddling and get a sense of achievement when they do get something to work (I am one of those people to a large extent). Because of this, it is more prone to issues as there is more human input. Windows falls somewhere in the middle and I suspect that is why it is more widely used.

        No one said “Windows is better than Linux”! Stop crying and accept the facts.

        • Alton Locke

          Clearly you ignored what I actually wrote for the sake of posting a long wall of self-praise. I said I am not engaging in an OS contest. I am a sometimes Windows user too, with dual boot machines.

          The paragraph you wrote about people ‘getting something to work’ on a Linux OS is the usual rubbish written by people who claim they use the systems, but obviously don’t, or use it very sparingly. A Debian or Ubuntu system, as a good example, is a stable, rock-solid system that needs no ‘tinkering’ (unless someone wants to do that). Mine has been largely untouched for years apart from the occasional upgrade. Everything works and didn’t require specialist knowledge – 99% of that is out -of-the-box.

          The facts are the facts. Self-proclaimed ‘IT specialists’ have no special waivers. You too are a mere keyboard warrior.

  193. Saeed le Hardy

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  194. Alton Locke

    Odd. This article bears no resemblance to my experiences at all. When I first switched completely to Linux in 2006 or 2007 (rather than doing some stuff in Windows, some in Linux) I thought I would be suffering from a lack of usable programmes, but this is not what happened. I used to use Finale all the time and even had it running through Wine on Ubuntu for a while, but MuseScore has improved so much I no longer use Finale.

    I have NEVER had a hardware compatibility or usability problem with any of the major Linux distros (not even the minor ones come to think of it). Could be pure luck, but I’ve had enough different systems with switched-out parts to have encountered it by now. Digital cameras work via plug and play in Ubuntu (among others), simple mp3 players. Hell, I got a cable with my recent digital piano and the thing linked me immediately to MuseScore and to a DAW.

    The idea you have to spend ages pasting millions of lines of code into a terminal and struggling to get these common things to work in Linux is no longer true. It’s old hat. I don’t think the usability of a system should be judged by its worst type of user: the sort of person with virus-riddled smartphone and who takes their laptop to the repair shop because it has a dust-filled fan. Even a Windows user has to have some idea of what is going on.

  195. don picmann

    Are you INSANE! Linux is way better than Winblows!

    It’s free!

    Complicated? Are there 200,000 new malware programs written for every day, no that’s Windows nevermind…

    The MAJORITY of the Internet is running on Unix/Linux, you are not “alone”!

    Steam now offers games on Linux.

    I have only needed 1 driver, ever. Everything else JUST WORKS when I plug it in! Printers, Cams, Mice, EVERYTHING

    The ONLY reason I have a Windows box is Adobe Photoshop. PERIOD.

    Did I mention it’s FREE. And 99.9% less virus vulnerable?

    Unbiased my ARSE! You want positive change people, DUMP Winblows and get a stable OS like Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora..

    • Bill fuckin' Gates


      Assuming this isn’t just a troll post…

      Every point he made is valid. I completely agree about Linux being best suited as the basis of a web server, but that’s not what we’re talking about here. As a desktop machine, for the average user, you are exponentially more “alone” than if you were to go with Windows of OS X. Not everybody is a programmer/sysadmin, nor wants to be.

      I lead a team of developers for a large multinational company, and use various flavours of Linux in a professional context every single day, and it’s fantastic in this environment. At home, I have a laptop with mint that spends 99% of its life collecting dust. For gaming and relaxing surfing the net, creating docs/letters in Word, creating spreadsheets in Excel, Windows beats Linux hands down for comfort. With growing steam support in recent years, the gap is reducing a little, but as of right now, it’s still not even close.

      I don’t give a fuck how much malware exists in the wild, as anyone with half a brain can avoid 99.9% of it, and having defender running in the background to catch anything else that might slip through is of no inconvenience whatsoever.

      You talk about drivers…I can only assume you got lucky with your graphics card. Sure, the OS will recognise anything mainstream, but the experience of many in recent years is that it’ll be plagued with bugs if you’re any sort of a modern gamer.

      Nowhere in the article does the author say Linux is shit and people should avoid it. But for people with basic competency when it comes to computers, Linux being “free” simply isn’t enough, and they’re gonna have a much better time sticking to the latest Windows or OS X release.

    • Old Greybeard

      Don, I was able to get older photoshop installed in Linux with wine. I think photoshop CS2. Never had any issues with it.

  196. John S

    Meh, in general these arguments against Linux have meaning. Most users don’t care to fiddle with their devices to get them to work. Their ideal of a terminal is at a airport or train station. People want push button access to their devices. Chromebook’s seem the most obvious success to the Linux platform, because the hardware is created around the OS. No worry about audio or video issues, or weather the latest kernel will crash your system. As we have seen with Open Office the open source community is not that healthy. The hardware makers don’t support it that well and the communities are finding less interest in keeping up with current hardware. My own experience is that a older PC probably will run a Linux distro better than my current SkyLake notebook. I’ve waited months or more for a kernel to properly support new features in a new CPU. Besides accepting poor power management and performance issues. Some will accept this as not significant issues, or they fiddle and find tweaks that make it less of a issue. This won’t be a solution for many users who simply don’t want to fiddle. I myself am trying Ubuntu 16.10 and if that doesn’t fix my sluggish and poor performance issues I am moving back to Windows also. I think Linux on the desktop performs better with more predictable and older hardware. But if you have newer hardware stick with Windows.

  197. Go Flip a Burger to make money

    You’re an idiot and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Please go flip burgers or something. Thank you. There is so much wrong in your statements it’s sad.

  198. Clifford Williams

    So wrong in so many points, not work even arguing about it!

    If my 9 year old grandson can operate a Linux computer then everything you said is pointless!!!

    • Non-basement-dweller

      Learning from a young age, sure, he’s gonna get it.

      But the average 9yo boy would rather be outside kicking a ball, chasing girls (or boys), watching a film, reading a book, catching Pokemon than trying to figure out why the latest [software of choice] package won’t fucking compile on his distro.

      The fact that your geeky grandson can use Linux doesn’t avoid the fact that Linux needs more involved management than most users give a fuck to invest (and why should they), that the community sucks (your post is evidence of this), that it’s a decade behind Windows in terms of gaming support, and that the “free” alternatives to many widespread, mainstream applications are in many cases shit in comparison, because of the lack of revenue to compensate the guys spending endless hours developing them.

    • Scott Williamson

      Hi Clifford. Wonder if you might have your 9 year old grandson call me because I’ll be darned if I can get my Ubuntu 16. to talk to my HP Printer/scanner. That’s the same HP that used to be on a first name basis with my old Windows 7.

  199. alexmr

    A few years ago, I installed Ubuntu (forgot which version) on my laptop using Wubi.

    Things went relatively well, until I shut down my laptop. When I turned it on, the screen was black.

    Now, when I say, that the screen was black, I don’t mean, that the OS didn’t boot, I mean, that the BIOS didn’t POST.

    I couldn’t access the BIOS with F10, and I couldn’t boot into Windows.

    I almost had a heart attack. I thought, that I had bricked my one and only computer.

    I calmed down, then I had an idea. I unplugged the battery and the power cord, waited for a few seconds, than plugged them back in and turned my laptop on.

    It finally booted. I tried shutting it down multiple times, and every time I had the exact same problem.

    What the actual fuck just happened. I tried googling, but the only results were about bootloader and GPU driver issues.

    Restart however worked just fine. I could restart into Windows, and then shut it down properly from Windows.

    A few years later, I tried Linux Mint with Wubi on the same laptop, and I had the exact same problem.

    • don picmann

      Thats odd, since linux of one version or another works on about a billion devices, printers, nnet cameras, dvd players, refrigerators, cell phones, watches, pagers, routers, traffic lights, pretty much every IOT (Internet Of Things) device known to mankind.

      Your PC Bios was probably set to SECURE BOOT, a windows “feature” designed to increase boot security or decrease start up times.. This should be set to Legacy or Non-Windows OS mode. Usually reinstalling Grub will fix this issue.

      • alexmr

        “Thats odd, since linux of one version or another works on about a billion devices, printers, nnet cameras, dvd players, refrigerators, cell phones, watches, pagers, routers, traffic lights, pretty much every IOT (Internet Of Things) device known to mankind”

        The difference between a desktop distro, and Linux running on a router or printer, is that the device manufacturer has made the necessary modifications to Linux, in order to make it work on that specific model of router or printer.

        “Your PC Bios was probably set to SECURE BOOT”

        My laptop is so old, that it doesn’t even have UEFI. And since it doesn’t have UEFI, it can’t have Secure Boot.

        And even if it did have Secure Boot, the BIOS would still POST, which it didn’t.

      • Dean

        No one is saying it doesn’t work with all devices. People are saying its more difficult to use than other platforms and the article and comments explains why. Why should you have to re-install specific aspects of the operating system using command line for an incorrect setting in bios? These are peoples experiences. Get over your belligerence and ignorance for 2 minutes to acknowledge what people are saying.

        Also, secure boot has nothing to do with Windows. Secure Boot is a technology where the system firmware checks that the system boot loader is signed with a cryptographic key authorized by a database contained in the firmware.The fact that Linux platforms aren’t compatible with this feature is testament to the above-mentioned points.

        The only reason Windows machines are more prone to Virus’s is because they are more widely used and there are more applications used with which to exploit vulnerabilities. Very few virus attacks exploit the Windows OS itself. 99% of attacks come from website vulnerabilities or User downloads (via mail or websites). It has very little to do with Windows code or OS security.

  200. cat1092

    I’ve been running Linux Mint MATE (now at 17.3 due to no AMD proprietary drivers for 18) for over 7.5 years, and besides the AMD GPU issue I’ll resolve with a NVIDIA card & then move to LM 18, for the most part, has been a trouble free experience.

    As to Ubuntu, my first taste of Linux via the WUBI installer, well it was good until Unity arrived, which Microsoft tried to copycat 28 months later & failed. The end result is well known, many careers gone down the drain, beginning with Steven Sinofsky & ending with Steve Ballmer.

    Now back to Linux, there are many choices, just because Ubuntu is the largest one, it’s by far not the only choice. Newbies to Linux coming from Windows will find Linux Mint a great alternative, with a similar Start Menu. As far as support goes, compared to 2009 when I began & given many cold shoulders because I was dual booting with XP, there is no lack of support today. Many answers for a distro is published on the Internet, just type in the search box or browser ‘First things to do with installing (your choice of distro)’.

    Even longtime Windows users has no idea of all their OS can do, maybe at best for Home users, 15%. Same with Linux, it’s how much effort one puts into learning the OS & make it meet your needs (another reason why ‘one size doesn’t fit all’), if one distro doesn’t work out for you, try another. It took me about a dozen different Linux distros & a PM by an otherwise ruthless Moderator who directed me to then, an ‘up & coming’ Linux Mint.

    Today, we have a very family friendly Linux support forum at Bleeping Computer, and there’s other all purpose forums where the rules are more strict to avoid bashing, the same ones applies site wide & members are encouraged to report any bashing, instigating, harassment, whatever. Plus there’s Moderators assigned to every group, though they may have to intervene in other groups when one isn’t online.

    I began pushing Linux Mint hard when the Microsoft countdown clock started ticking for XP users, and have over 300 converts to my name. If every Linux users were to convert just one or two more users per year, the number will climb, and we have. Because for the first time in over 10 years, Windows has slipped below the 90% usershare mark, which they fought to maintain. However, Windows 8, then 8.1 & now 10 has made users look elsewhere, as Windows Vista loses support next year, and much more significant, their largest user base in Windows 7 users will become unsupported in just barely over 3 years.

    What does that mean? More growth for Linux, Android (or Chromebooks), and even Mac. Yet many won’t or can’t afford the latter, and Linux is a download away. I say if one has a powerful enough computer, to download the free version of VMware Workstation Player & try some Linux distros out, until a suitable one is found.

    It boils down to this, many of us had to learn Windows, what’s the difference with Linux? And one last consideration, most won’t need any extra security, it’s built into the OS, and when bugs are found, are patched within 24-48 hours, not 1-4 weeks before Update Tuesday (this doesn’t apply to W10 users). Oh and business/corporate use, do you think that all of these payment processors depends on Windows Server? Maybe less than 10%, and that’s being generous. Plus most of the financial sectors are Linux powered, as are much of the government, all the way down to local utilities, even your ISP.

    There are way too many reasons to use Linux than I can list here, yet one thing I’ll say for certain is that the OS’s (known as distros) are solid. Everyone, including the author of this article, has the right to feel the way they do & express opinions, the above content is mine. If Linux Mint were no good, then it won’t be my main OS, and I’d not dare make a transaction on a Windows install. Because there’s way too many cracks in the OS that AV & AM apps can’t cover. With Linux, unless one’s running a mail server to send messages to Windows users (though not restricted to that alone), no extra security is needed. We get in return the effort we put into learning the OS.


  201. Daryl Bennett

    I switched to Linux several years ago due to an aging PC- windows just took too long! and the constant updates- every time you turn the thing on! it’s nuts. Linux works well, it’s fine 95% of the time. but that remaining 5% can be complete hell.

    I have used SPSS, STATA, etc in the past, and am trying to learn R. TRYING. The problem is I spend a ratio of probably 10:1 trying to configure, update, the freaking program to time actually using the program. So far, I’m in a 2.5 hour drain- couldn’t install a package because it isn’t supported with the previous version of R (updated this month). complete upgrade to 16.10.

    oh three hours into updating… “was halted because too many errors”


  202. free software developer working on it for profit

    >hey fundamentally disagree with the principal of closed source and/or for-profit software.
    a lot of today free software is developed for profit

    • cat1092

      Of course there’s profit in free software, however much of this is on the Windows side of the table, where the developers are paid to bundle ‘crapware’ with their software (not possible with Linux). How profitable that is, I have no idea, though have personally been in contact with some of these developers, and many of these began when in college & now worked on at best, 4 hours per week, if that. Some passed these along to others whom needed a software offering for their studies, or Linux/other open software groups.

      Today, many of the same are working a full time job unrelated to the offering, and what compensation, plus donations they receive wouldn’t feed a family of four. Take for instance the very popular download manager that’s the default of Firefox, Down Them All. Yes, very popular, yet the creators began while in school & while we’re reaping the benefits of their work, if they had to live off of the earning/donations, would be sleeping in their vehicle & in the soup kitchen line for a meal. I’ve used the download manager since I started running Firefox when IE8 crippled my Dell Latitude D610 (it was running fine with IE7 in late 2008), so had to look for an alternative browser. I donate two times per year to the Down Them All devs, one of the few that I give to, and even got a chance to contact the developer.

      That contact was how I discovered the truth about free software created & distributed by individuals.

      On the other hand, there’s corporations that offers for free, a scaled down version of their more feature filled software, with maybe a 15-30 day Trial of the ‘Pro’ version, however that’s totally different from freelancers whom began a project as part of their college studies, so really we’re speaking of two different groups here. Not all software developers are filthy rich.

  203. chrisb009

    I’ve been in the IT industry as an engineer for over 25 years. I’ve worked at the CLI and within GUI’s for a multitude of years on many different OS’s, platforms, etc.. Lets face facts; Linux is not for the average computer user. It’s more complex, in some cases lacks peripheral driver support and can be very picky when trying to utilize plug and pray. To make a point let me ask a question; would a standard user know or understand how to remove unused kernels to make space for updated kernels? Highly doubtful.Case in point – Ubuntu does not cleanup previous kernels thus it’s up to the user to manually remove them otherwise the system simply runs out of space. Let me ask a second question; would a user know and understand a multitude of USB thumb drives are not recognized properly by several Linux distros? Highly doubtful. Case in point; user plugs in a USB thumb drive that worked with zero issues on a Windows platform only to find out Linux doesn’t see the device. These are only two use cases; there are hundreds more as to why Linux is not for the masses and shouldn’t be on a standard users desktop. Do I use Linux as a desktop – Yes but I can resolve most issues given time. Linux does has it’s good points; it excels at being a server. I have a client who is still using a Mandrake distro (shut down several yrs back) that acts as a file server utilizing Samba which hasn’t been touched in over seven years. It just continues to run with zero issues. IMO Linux as a desktop for the masses simply isn’t logical due to the complexity of the OS unless the Linux crowd makes substantial changes to their methodology.

    • cat1092

      chrisb009, I agree with much of what you’re saying. One can no longer pick up any old computer that ran Windows 98 through early XP years & expect to have full driver support (although this was there when I began). Now these old wireless cards don’t work, some graphics & audio doesn’t either, however on modern computers, this is much improved with one caveat. Some computers, especially notebooks, have specialized buttons (not keys) that controls various features, have one myself, these are useless with Linux Mint. Yet I over came.

      As to the last part of your post, you’re spot on, it’s not so much that Linux itself needs to be changed, the mainline distros needs a streamlining so that users aren’t running ‘off the wall’ distros that may not be as feature filled as the large ones (think Ubuntu/Linux Mint). Where many has .deb download files that’s the same as .exe, only we have built in security to have to enter a password to install these, which is good, and how many Windows users gets infected. Because with these .deb files, there’s no piggyback payload of spyware or Malware loaded apps coming along for the ride. Still, Linux users are warned to use .deb installers as necessary (example, to install Google Chrome).

      And the dedicated Linux Forums that hasn’t already, needs to clean up their act & be more helpful to newbies to the OS, rather than bashing them because while learning Linux, they’re dual booting with Windows, or running their choice of Linux in a virtual machine on Windows. It’s not just Linux, it’s also many users who needs to get in line & assist those in need.

      At Bleeping Computer, that’s what we do, to the best of our ability, like any other forum, we don’t have the answer for everything. Yet installing today’s Linux on 10+ year old hardware presents many challenges, example, Broadcom wireless cards that were once popular & at one time, did work with Linux Mint fine, now requires much work to install. It’s things like this that makes Linux look harder than it is. If the user of these were to find a compatible Intel wireless card on eBay for $5 shipped, chances are, it’ll work fine, many of these notebooks shipped with more than one wireless card, based on configuration at the time (value or premium).

      Yet some things cannot be swapped, example, there’s no dual core CPU for an IBM T42 ThinkPad, plus no way to upgrade from 2GB max DDR RAM. These are (some of) the things holding many Linux users back. At least get a late DDR2 model notebook with a dual core CPU (that may be upgradable for less than $20) & SATA HDD (which can be swapped for a low cost 120-240GB Samsung 850 EVO SSD for an instant boost of performance) & if a Broadcom wireless card is installed, as mentioned above, get the Intel equivalent, however note that HP & IBM/Lenovo users has to get the card made for those computers, which are plentiful & guaranteed not DOA on eBay (check seller feedback). Many sellers will state in the listing that their offerings are not for these brands of computers.

      True that the Linux crowd can make some changes, however modern Linux OS’s can run on a wide variety of computers, even those with UEFI Firmware & Secure Boot. It can be disabled if needed on many, plus many of the mainstream Linux distros has the needed key so that Secure Boot can be left alone, if that’s what the user desires. I make it a point to disable this ‘feature’ on all of those I own & build, am a system builder for those who wants a computer w/out bottlenecks & don’t jack up component prices. That’s why I get the owner to order the components from the list I compile, so that they have the full warranty of their computer, and I charge a flat fee, depending on the type of build desired, and for the average ($1,200), plus my labor, they get a PC that would cost close to $3,000 from ‘licensed’ builders. And I build just as many Linux PC’s as Windows ones, whatever they want.

      The cool thing (unlike Windows), is that we can test drive the OS of our choosing before install, and I make notes of components that’s not compatible (currently GeForce GTX 1070/1080) on 1080p monitors. Because when trying out, there’s an ‘Out of Range’ warning going from one corner of the screen to the other. Haven’t tried a GTX 1060 card yet, since it’s not a true 4K card for gaming, may do better, will soon see on one of my own.;-)


      • cat1092

        What I meant to say above, is that the GTX 1070/1080 cards are looking for a 4K monitor at boot, and if running a 1080p or less, that’s why the ‘Out of Range’ error. I suspect, that like with Windows, this will be fixed in the upcoming months, though at the same time, 24′ & 28″ 4K monitors are dropping in price, the next major upgrade for me, because am running a EVGA 1070 FTW card on my best build.

        There is a half baked workaround to load proprietary drivers that may hold for a few days, as I discovered, then one day when booting into Linux Mint, the panel (known as the Taskbar to Windows users) dropped out of sight. Fortunately, the Windows key brought up the Terminal, so that I could safely shut down (sudo shutdown). The last thing I’d want to mess up is my 512GB Samsung 950 PRO M.2 SSD which I’ve had for less than two months, which Linux Mint had support for before Windows did, in 2012. Back then, most of us had never heard of a NVMe SSD, maybe mSATA at best. Or an overly expensive (used) PCIe SSD sold on eBay for over $1,000 & over 5 years old, heavily used on Workstation PC’s. So in some respects, Linux offered support for some components long before Windows did & probably for good reason.;-)

        The bad, had I waited just three more weeks, the Samsung 960 PRO NVMe lineup came out, as well as a EVO line of the same for less, and with the PRO versions, Samsung dropped the 256GB version, because they know that enthusiasts wants performance w/out artificial software (RAPID), the tested speed is the bottom line, with mine, over 2,500MB/sec reads & close to 1,600MB/sec writes. The 960 PRO will greatly improve on that, as far as the EVO line goes, those number have yet to be released. Yet it’s good to have affordable alternatives for every budget, if half the piece & two-thirds the performance, that’s an outstanding deal & Linux compatible.;-)


    • don picmann

      Toss some more lingo in there d00d. Used a GUI for years? I fail to see the significance? Windows is a GUI. If they can use windows they can use linux in regards to GUI’s. I NEVER have a problem inserting USB thumb drives, Linux will read from Windos NTFS partitions, it’s windows that will not read ext2 or other linux file system. Is the usb drive FAT32 formatted? Remove Kernels? You think windows cleans up it’s own junk files? I know it’s chock full of bloatware that takes up most of the space, along with tmp files and countless other garbage files.

      I think some of the users on here including the OP are smoking the microsoft pipe too much, and are afraid to put it down. Learning Linux is not any harder than Learning Windows if you had never used either one before they are both going to be hard at first. Case in point: 90% of PC users don’t understand how to use Windows for anything other than turning it on and starting IE, and maybe a few apps.

      Ask a random Windows user to:

      Check which version of windows is installed.

      Update the driver for their graphics card.

      Start a command prompt.

      Start a command prompt with admin rights.

      Find their LAN IP address

      Find their WAN IP address

      Ooh heres a good one! Have them install VLC Media Player. Bet 90% end up on a bootleg site with a bundle of adware, toolbars, who knows..

      ( For those following along, with linux when you install software you get it from the verified linux repository. Easy as 1-2-3. Windows is evil and makes you google software titles, where from? Who knows! That’s where the bad guys pretend to be legit websites, since they are so good at it almost everyone falls prey to the trap and installs spyware or adware although they are unaware!)

      Hey at least you have all those expensive Antivirus programs to blow money on right! Did you know they barely even make Antivirus software for linux? Yeah, it’s nice like going comando on a hot summer day.

      Have them rename a file.

      Remove some bloatware.

      View a hidden file

      Start in safe mode.

      Defrag a drive

      Load a .DOC file

      Check their firewall rules

      Allow access to an incoming connection on port 43282

      Block access to port 1337

      Well? Do you think people are going to be able to do these tasks? VERY FEW and you know it! Linux seems difficult to you because it’s different than windows, and you KNOW windows. If You were not set in your ways with windows Linux would not seem any more difficult to use than windows is to use.

  204. David F

    Your right… Your absolutely spot on IMO. I started learning Linux about 10 years ago then left. It was far too complex. I came back with the introduction of the Raspberry Pi and started the grind to learn, and I had learned a lot. I can setup and maintain a Linux system on ARM computer or PC now do updates and get basic stuff setup although I have a hard time installing programs outside of the terminal. Building from source code is a train wreck most of the time. So I got an older laptop and put Linux (a debian build) on it but to find out my wifi hardware wouldnt work out of the box and it was a mess trying to get the drivers going. A distro that did work was too resource hungry and ran very poorly. This is not Linuxs fault directly, but the broadcomm hardware in the laptop. I always find myself chasing my own tail trying to get a distro that plays friendly with the drivers I ‘need’. I’ve always been preferable to Debian builds. My buddy was learning Linux for the first time, so I was showing him the basics within the terminal and the look on his poor face. I never understood on a desktop installation of a Linux build why the terminal is still heavily used. Granted I get ‘why’ people use it, but with modern GUI -why? You can use it if you want but why can’t you just have some sort of system management interface like Windows to manage update drivers. It comes down to speed and I can install drivers much faster on windows. With Windows I rarely need to get to command prompt for common tasks because its been setup so well in the GUI. Even drive partitioning. Windows has the ability to, for example partition within the powershell (windows 10) but you dont need to. Wow – If I could just find a distro that shows all the hardware devices and let you click on each thing without having to download some wonky 3rd party app that barely works. Thats my biggest hangup switching personally. Ease of use. Its just too much of a headache to maintain and operate than windows. I still dont understand repositories fully. One nearly identical build of linux (both debian) have completely different driver support within the repository. Theres no cross-talk between compatible builds. If there is then pardon my ignorance. But this is also a big problem – unification & compatibility. I wanna switch I really do.

  205. NiJo

    I hope this doesn’t sound like too harsh a comment. But reason #1 just didn’t sit right with me. If you can’t decide on a distro, or learn how to prepare your download for install, you shouldn’t be dabbling with Linux in the first place. I do agree that certain software makes Windows a requirement for some (if not many) people. But I believe Linux is taking great strides in becoming truly competitive. I like Windows 7, it’s the latest version of Windows OS I own. Perhaps it will be the last I ever own.

  206. liquid

    I agree with most things from the article writer. I used linux on and off since 2007, and while it’s a nice hobbist or day to day user OS (when something doesn’t break), it’s no way near windows as uniformity,stability (yes,stability), driver support,comercial apps and so on.

    A few days ago,i changed a frikin GTK theme in xfce,and my x session froze completelly. Had to do a hard reset,boot in safe mode ,then remove from software manager the gtk theme to get it back. I mean,come frikin on,in 2016 a theme can bring down your whole OS ?

    Or my new wifi usb adapter, crashing connection every 5 seconds, because there is a buggy driver in kernel since forever, for a Realtek 8192cu.
    You have to compile it.
    Windows JUST WORKS.

    • cat1092

      Yes everything ‘JUST WORKS’, until your computer gets ‘too old’ to keep up with the changes, many of those who took the dive for the Windows 8 Pro promo for $40 were robbed in less than a year, once 8.1 was released, just because the CPU lacked one component. Like with W10 today, Microsoft stated that they’d support these consumers also.

      Come a couple of years from now, many who took the free Windows 10 dive will regret it, if they deleted their Recovery partition, didn’t create a recovery media set or Full disk image, or ‘lost’ their original Windows install media & COA. If XP users were supported by many for at least two years, it’ll be three for Windows 7 users at EOL, so they still should be good until at least late 2022.

      Even Linux users aren’t exempt for this, one cannot just pick up any old Windows computer from the curbside & install the latest Linux OS’s. If a 32 bit model, the results will be even worse, less choice of browsers & other software. 64 bit Linux users has over 70,000 choices, most free, while 32 bit users are offered just a little over 40,000 choices & declining, because there’s no longer a future for 32 bit OS’s. I was surprised that the last Ubuntu release (16.04 LTS) offered 32 bit, the users who can run it had better rejoice, because it’s likely to be the last one. Stat counters keeps up with these things, and 32 bit computers are dropping like hot coals on their charts.

      Many smartphones now are 64 bit models, so 10+ year old computers has few options, unless they’re up to learning Puppy Linux.

    • patrick yi

      You apparently have no idea what Linux is, then. “Precise Pangolin” is the name of Ubuntu, a desktop OS based on Linux. Linux is the Kernel. Gimme a break!

      • pasx

        Sorry buddy but for the rest of the world the brand name of Linux for desktop is Ubuntu. How many people out there know what a kernel is? So most people out there will try Ubuntu “Precise Pangolin” or whatever and find out that Ubuntu is just absolutely ugly.

  207. pasx

    Linux is shit and getting worse with every release. Linux devs finally got to reach the level of Windows 95 and then they lost track of what the real IT world is doing. Or maybe they are smoking to much pot or they can’t see the screen through their dirty long hair. I totally hate Linux. I have a computer running Linux Mint Xcfe and I can’t wait to get the time to remove that crap and have a normal computer again. One that looks good and works fine. Never ever again Linux go RIP.

    • j par

      pasx~ Yes in some aspect Linux sucks, but it’s a free suck! as to where Windows sucks cost You! if I’m going to get sucked, I would rather it be free then to have to pay for it. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I couldn’t resist! As for getting worse, Windows had a great thing going with it’s OS Windows 7, but they had to mess with perfection and come up with their free up front Windows 10, now that one sucks big red ones!!!!! they have put so much crap in there to spy on You, that if You know what Your doing You might get rid of some of it, but it will be back, through updates, oh it doesn’t matter if You disable updates or not, they will find a way to slip them through! Goodbye freedom!!! If a person pays for something, they shouldn’t git the shaft! It’s true Linux is not for everyone, but it’s a lot safer on the world wide web, and best of all, it’s free! in more ways then one, so really a person can’t really have a gripe, or can they????

      • David F

        I hear you on Windows 10. The Win10 EULA is frightening

        ‘…we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content in your emails, other private communications or files in private folders)…’ …wow.

    • Ranjan Singh

      you know the samba server go and read befor say about linux . yes window marketing is much higher then linux but its other hand if you are a developer then you definatly use linux . Because so many fragment are useing to compile you language

  208. RobGoss (@robgoss)

    The information posted here is far from the truth with all the help in the Linux community how are you alone. It clearly tells me you don’t have much experience using Linix.

    Needless to say Windows is not easy to use for most common users with fixing all the problems with Windows and viruses Linux is worth the try

    After using Windows for 17 years I’m now a full time Linux user and love it. Linux has made it super easy to use the desktop give Ubuntu or Linux mint a try you’ll see what I mean

    • John Morris

      Problems you encounter are your responsibility to fix.  You can’t pop into any computer repair shop with your Debian rig and get help.  The only help you’re going to get is through Linux forums, IRC channels, mailing lists, and occasionally fantastic Linux blogs such as Down To Earth Linux.  

      Not everyone has a problem with this.  I fix my own computers, and vastly prefer talking via typed messages over the Internet, than in person or over the telephone.  It’s my mindset.  But for many, this is horrible and a valid reason to avoid Linux.

      I have a lot of experience using Linux. It’s running on 2 machines in my house at the moment, and my desktop and Surface Pro 3 each have half a dozen Linux VMs at any given moment. I have a rooted Android phone with custom ROM. This website is run on a Linux server. I created and write a blog extoling the virtues of Linux, and explaining the minutiae for newcomers. Suffice it to say, I’ve dabbled with Linux.

      Mint has been a long time favorite of mine, but lately it’s been giving me some issues and my favorite has changed over to Manjaro. I still recommend Mint for newcomers, however.

      I really don’t understand how Linux users get so many viruses using Windows these days. Since Windows 8, a decent antivirus has been built-in to the OS. Vista and 7 held your hand through installing one. XP, while the most vulnerable of those mentioned, had been pretty secure since Service Pack 2. I’ve had more malware troubles with my, and relatives’, Android phones this year, than I have with Windows malware/viruses over the last decade (Android: 2, Windows: 0).

      All the major OSes are easy when they, and your needed software, are setup and working properly. It’s when they’re not that things become challenging. Of the 3 major ones (Windows, Mac OS, Linux), Linux is the most likely to have problems. Everyone makes hardware that works for Windows. Macs work on a limited subset of computers, making most hardware problems non-existent. Linux, unfortunately, has to reverse-engineer support of a lot of hardware, or gets half-hearted, crappy attempts at support from the manufacturer. And, Linux, being infinitely customizable and coming in so many flavors, is difficult to support and test with. Of these 3 OSes, Linux has the least amount of support available, and that support is often withheld if it is perceived that you didn’t spend enough time or effort searching for the solution yourself.

  209. Jr0x (@JJr0x)

    I dont really agree with this at all.
    #1 ) It isn’t any more or less complicated than Mac or Windows. If you think this is bad, you should be happy you got in the industry when things were easier. Because years ago, there was a master list you had to compare your hardware to, to make sure it would even install. If you cant grasp this, maybe stay windows, or consider a new line of… “easier”… work.

    #2 ) You aren’t hanging out in the right places. I have a Linux machine right next to me. My work laptop runs windows to stay compatible with all the software work requires, but I have a Linux VM running, and I have an ssh connection to it from the windows box all the time. Basically as if windows had a linux command prompt.

    #3 ) It is ACTIVELY developed on. You get windows updates right? If you want something that doesnt change. Run a distro that has “enterprise” in the name. eg: RHEL/CentOS wont pull the rug out from under you. Debian, and Ubuntu will change drastically even when sticking to the same version.

    #4 ) You spelled freedom to choose wrong.

    #5 ) this may be true for the every day home PC market. And again, it still depends on the distro. But my linux box supports 10gig . Does yours? Dont answer that, I wouldnt want you to rant about how 10gig sucks because its too hard for you.

    #6) It depends on what you are doing. For a server, I dont need a UI like you get with Windows Server. So my machine coming up, takes a fraction of the time. It doesnt load all that bullshit. Now your home PC might be a different story, but that is not the edge-case they are talking about when it comes to speed.

    #7 ) Many of those tools you are using for free, are written by contributors who dont get paid. The programs are less flashy, but a lot of the times they are made to be able to string them together to do really complicated things. Hence bash scripting.

    #8 ) Fuck gaming. That isn’t why I use a computer. But steam is making some leaps and bounds there.

    #9 ) This is completely your own speculation with absolutely ZERO factual support.
    #10 ) also nonsense skipping
    #11 ) yea, they are. If they feel you didnt at least attempt to read the manual, you are going to get an attitude. We arent here to be your fucking google. We are here to help when you hit a wall, not before you open the cover. If you are catching flack, it is probably because you didnt do enough before asking questions.

    • John Morris

      1.) I… don’t understand how the master list applies to this discussion.

      2.) “relatively speaking”

      3.) If I sat down a Windows 95 user in front of Windows 10, they would be able to get around. You’ve gone to the same place and used visually similar tools to make the same changes for ages (Control Panel, regedit, msconfig, right-click and properties, etc..). Software installation has been largely the same process, for the end user, since Windows 95. Similar examples could be given with OS X. There is a continuity with Windows’ and OS X’s design and processes that Linux is prone to throwing away when the next cool thing comes along.

      Really I don’t know why this point is contentious with Linux fans. The Linux community goes into uproar all the time about this. Two prominent examples… Gnome 3 and Unity. systemd.

      4.) You fell into the same trap many of the other commenters fell into. You conflated pointless competition and competition. Freedom to choose is great. Competition is great. POINTLESS competition is not. Two organizations devoted to doing the exact same thing in different ways means two separate architectures, ecosystems, and environments must be supported. I love that Linux offers more customizability and freedom than Windows. I agree that this is one of Linux’s main selling points. But Linux software splinters into dozens of variants offering no meaningful differences than its competitors.

      5.) So it “may be true” for the everyday home PC market this article is discussing? Great. We agree. As for 10gig, I assume you’re talking about 10 gigabit Ethernet (if not, enlighten me). Yeah, my Windows 10 and 7 boxes support it with a 10GbE NIC and the manufacturer’s driver.

      6.) Agreed. Linux is, in many cases, better for a server. But this article isn’t about servers. Or supercomputers. Or edge cases. This is about a typical home PC. Years ago, Ubuntu used to slaughter my XP computer when it came to speed. Now, Windows 10 is faster and snappier. Manjaro is slower to boot, but about as quick to respond once booted.

      7.) Yep. Not sure what that has to do with point #7, but yep.

      8.) But it is one reason why many people use a computer. Steam is doing an admirable job trying. But they are so laughably far away from making it realistic to be a gamer on Linux. Maybe one day, thanks to Steam, this point will evaporate into nothingness. But not anytime soon.

      9.) Huh? That’s the raison d’être of Linux. The positive outcomes of this philosophy and approach are what the most ardent fans justifiably love to promote. But it has clear and logical downsides.

      10.) Cool.

      11.) Been addressed ad nauseum in the comments below. See refutation of 11 in this comment, as well as several others.

  210. steve jackson

    I found if you are going to use linux run a live disk or usb
    find if everything works ie wifi sound graphics etc not
    rocket science if that all checks out your good to go
    ok games windows world get over it
    linux has got more easy to install now
    also if starting to build a pc just check the
    hardware spec on linux sites
    and the pc build goes like a dream
    I very rarely use windows only when iam
    cross referencing fixing peoples windows pcs
    linux has a small learning curve but
    what you get back is well worth it

    • CommanderKeen

      looks like you typed that using pine or something. Thought I was reading poetry, but then realized it’s probably the awful use of POST methods in any Linux browser. Linux. Is. For. Servers.

  211. Kyle

    Thank you for making this post. I’ve seen enough posts claiming how great linux distros are, without addressing some main issues. If only more people in the linux community accepted the flaws in their OS (no OS is perfect anyway)…

    I also love linux. I always used one of the Ubuntu flavor (I can even hear some people saying how I’m a fool for not using Fedora, Arch, Manjaro, etc) in a dual-boot with Windows, and I loved how I was able to fully customize my computer experience with linux. Don’t like the theme? change it. don’t like the icons? change it. don’t like the desktop feeling? change it. After I accepted that I couldn’t run windows apps (wine is not a proper solution in many cases) and got used to the terminal, everything felt amazing.

    But I had plenty of time and patience to learn how to use it. Saying that your mom uses linux mint in her laptop only means that she probably doesn’t do anything, but browse the web and write e-mails. Install linux mint in an user’s machine that does more than that. They will probably try installing a program only to discover that it doesn’t have linux support, then they will try to run it on wine and even after loosing some time browsing the web for tutorials there’s a huge chance of them either giving up after a series of unsuccessful attempts or running the program without some feature and/or with a noticeable performance drop. They can always use an alternative software and relearn their workflow, but, if they don’t want to, you can’t blame them for “giving up on their freedom in exchange for some convenience”.

    Let’s talk about games. We can’t ignore the decrease in performance while running native games on linux, we can’t consider wine or VMware as a solution to play non-native games and we can’t consider 5431 out of 22842 (checked on October 14th, 2016) steam games available for Linux/SteamOS as an excuse to call it a gaming platform. What about the ones outside the steam store? Why keep saying that linux is free (as in no cost) when you would probably have a better gaming experience using cheaper hardware + a paid windows license?

    I know that you’re thinking “It’s not linux’s fault! The developers should develop optimized drivers, better ports, more games to the platform!” and I’ll have to agree only partially with you, simply because the distros themselves don’t have enough additional features nor proper marketing to attract consumers despite the lack of software. Not to mention that the average consumer doesn’t care about whose fault it is.

    Let’s talk about money. Open-source is not the same as freeware, but looking at the ammount of free (as in no cost) open-source software, it’s pretty clear that this model doesn’t fit in the typical way for developers to earn profit. People will attack you for saying that you should pay for open-source software (look at Elementary OS), people will boycott your software if you implement an online search engine on your desktop that collects some of your data (see Ubuntu), and then they will pester you for delaying projects, which is probablly due to the lack of resources.

    Then we have the community. You can even say that those people are the minority of the linux community, but we can’t deny how frequently we see that kind of toxic behavior, despite the small number of users.

  212. fg

    it only sucks for the ADHD impatience crowd unskilled basic user who has to have instant gratification. If you are a patience person and understand “understand” being the focus here of what is actually going on with each OS and what each can do things will be more clear for you .
    Most of these sites I see the majority of windows users who have no clue wtf is going on trying to use Ubuntu 6 or 8 on modern recent hardware without updating it having the most problems . use the newest destos keep them up to date I have been using multiple linux versions for 22 + years exclusively , No windows at all I have never had any issues everything runs fine no crashing no errors . KDE. UBUNTU 16.04 LTS , M